Gore/Lieberman vs. Owens/Dole(2004)
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Historico
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« on: April 02, 2009, 04:39:23 PM »

Ok...Let's say Gore wins the 2000 election via Judicial intervention or lack there off. Many of his policies are crippled by senate gridlock. 9/11 goes more or less the same, and the War On Terror has not been brought into a close by the election. Social Conservative and Governor of Colorado Bill Owens clinches the nomination and chooses North Carolina Senator Elizabeth Dole.

So how does the election go?
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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2009, 07:15:17 PM »

I would have to say that Gore wins reelection.

Gore would blame the Republican controlled Senate for holding up and thwarting his "people friendly" agenda.

Gore wouild argue that he needs to continue prosecuting the war on terror. 

Elizabeth Dole is an extremely interesting, and qualified in my view, choice for Vice President.      

Gore/Lieberman                   284
Owens/Dole                         254

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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2009, 08:46:22 AM »

I actually think Govenor Owens would probably be able to pull it off...Especially if Gore is seen as an "Illegitmate", and American's having been in Afganistan for Three years without any significan results. The Base would probably turn out to see that Gore doesn't get reelected in 2004.



Bill Owens/Elizabeth Dole: 274 Electoral Votes
Albert Gore Jr./Joseph Lieberman: 264 Electoral votes

After extemley narrow wins in Ohio and Florida, Bill Owens is able to win the election and becomes the nation's 44th President on January 20th 2005. However, President Owens botches relief for Huricane Katrina pretty much on Bushian terms. Although he and Secretary of State Colin Powell do institute an unpopular Troop surge in 2006, by the 2008 election, it has largely reduced the violence and power of Al Queda in both Afghanistan and Pakistan.

So by the time the 2008 Democratic Primaries roll around, he has an approval rating around 45%. The two major candidates emerge out of a large field, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Senator Jesse Jackson Jr. of Illinois(He decides on running for Senate ITTL, and beats Barack narrowly in the primaries). The economic slowdown(due to Gore's continuing of Clinton's banking policies) still hits, but is seen as caused by Clinton-era economic policies. This enables Senator Jackson to clinch the nomination, and chooses stauch Clinton Supporter and Gore's SOD, Wesley Clark as his running mate. On the republican side President Owens is renominated by acclamation.

However, The Owens Adminstration slow reaction the growing finacial crisis makes 2008 look like another close election...So how would Owens/Dole vs. Jackson/Clark in alt 2008 look like?
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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2009, 08:55:47 AM »

Gore would win, narrowly.
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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2009, 09:48:44 PM »

2008

Jesse Jackson Jr. is no Barack Obama.  He does not possess his magnetism, charisma, or oratorical abilities.  Owens wins, due to the fact that he is running against Jackson.

A note, Vice President Dole is getting on in years by this time.  She would be 72 years old at the time of the 2008 election.     

Owens/Dole                           288
Jackson/Clark                         250

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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2009, 11:08:35 AM »

Gore would blame the Republican Senate, for not letting him do his job, leading to one of the closest in years.


Owens: 249
Gore: 289

Popular Vote:
Owens: 49.65%
Gore: 49.67%
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2009, 10:51:35 PM »

Ok...True, Jackson is no Obama...He does trump him in the experience category as he's been in congress since 1994. This lack of Charisma probably looses him a couple of states but overall, it's the economy stupid that brings down the incumbent



Jesse Jackson Jr./Wesley Clark: 302 Electoral Votes
Bill Owens/Elizabeth Dole: 236 Electoral Votes
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2009, 11:00:01 PM »

Gore would beat Owens, whose personal issues would hurt him with the Christian Right. In 2008 Hillary would likely win the nomination, even with the economic slowdown (which I believe would still occur due to Gore's deregulation policies, though it wouldn't be as bad as he would be more willing to intervene quickly). Hillary vs. McCain would lead to a very close McCain victory.
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2009, 06:12:09 PM »

Ok...True, Jackson is no Obama...He does trump him in the experience category as he's been in congress since 1994. This lack of Charisma probably looses him a couple of states but overall, it's the economy stupid that brings down the incumbent



Jesse Jackson Jr./Wesley Clark: 302 Electoral Votes
Bill Owens/Elizabeth Dole: 236 Electoral Votes


Historico, I have to disagree with your assessment that Jackson would win the Presidency.  He is simply not viable on a national ticket.
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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2010, 04:21:28 PM »

How does the economy look between 2001-2004? Also, do fuel prices begin rising in 2003-2004 as in RL?
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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2010, 07:48:18 PM »

The country is tired of Democratic rule by 2004. Owens/Dole win the popular vote decisively, by about percentage points. The electoral vote is closer, 300-238; the map is the same as RL 2004 except Wisconsin and New Hampshire vote Owens. Western states are more strongly Republican; there is never a hint of doubt about Colorado or Nevada, and New Mexico remains 'lean Owens' throughout the entire campaign.
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