NC-PPP: Obama in the driver's seat

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

I a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted Sep. 26-27, only Obama of all leaders came closest to majority approval on the handling of the bailout crisis

U.S. Leaders Not Getting High Marks on Credit Crisis [29 September, 2008]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110782/US-Leaders-Getting-High-Marks-Crisis.aspx

Please say whether you approve or disapprove of the way each of the following has responded to the problems on Wall Street

Sen. Barack Obama: 46% approve; 43% disapprove (net +3)
Democratic leaders in Congress: 39% approve; 50% disapprove (net -11)
Sen. John McCain: 37% approve; 53% disapprove (net -16)
Republican leaders in Congress: 31% approve; 58% disapprove (net -27)
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson: 28% approve; 51% disapprove (net -23)
President George W Bush: 28% approve; 68% disapprove (net -40)

Maybe a calm head (Obama) is more reassuring, in these times, than an erratic one (McCain)?

Dave

It's just sad that the Republicans are getting the blame for this whole mess. Obama is winning by doing nothing, and if it weren't for Nancy Pelosi going on a tirade against the Republicans like a bitch that she is on the House floor before they voted, we would've passed this bill and moved on. Instead, the Democrats  it up and the Republicans get most of the blame. It's really sad.

We're about to elect President Obama who's method of leadership is to vote present, and give him 60 seat majorities in the Senate and House. We're really screwed.

Whats ridiculous is Republicans voted against the bill [after saying a deal had been reached] just because they were "talked down to" or some ridiculous bullsh!t like that. If your really going to act that much like a child then you have no business being a Congressman. The only whining I hear today is from Republicans boohooing about being talked down to by Pelosi in the House.

Obama is winning because hes keeping a cool head and acting Presidential, while McCain is all over the place causing hissy fits suspending campaigns and relaxing in his condo talking on the phone after the meeting in Washington a couple days ago.

Acting Presidential by doing absolutely nothing? Honestly, the man delivered nothing in this case. No, I agree that the Republicans shouldn't have gotten so bent out of shape over it, but Pelosi needs to STFU and bite the bullet for the good of this country. This partisan bickering is getting ridiculous. Both sides need to shut up and get something done before our economy slips off a cliff. It was hardly the time for nancy Pelosi to get up there and run her mouth against the side she's trying to bring over.

If you honestly think Obama is being oh so Presidential about this by campaigning and saying it's not his problem, you're a moron. Is that what you want him to do if he's elected? He's running to be President of the United States, but he acts like he doesn't want the responsibility until it's absolutely necessary.

[exopolitician]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

I a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted Sep. 26-27, only Obama of all leaders came closest to majority approval on the handling of the bailout crisis

U.S. Leaders Not Getting High Marks on Credit Crisis [29 September, 2008]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110782/US-Leaders-Getting-High-Marks-Crisis.aspx

Please say whether you approve or disapprove of the way each of the following has responded to the problems on Wall Street

Sen. Barack Obama: 46% approve; 43% disapprove (net +3)
Democratic leaders in Congress: 39% approve; 50% disapprove (net -11)
Sen. John McCain: 37% approve; 53% disapprove (net -16)
Republican leaders in Congress: 31% approve; 58% disapprove (net -27)
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson: 28% approve; 51% disapprove (net -23)
President George W Bush: 28% approve; 68% disapprove (net -40)

Maybe a calm head (Obama) is more reassuring, in these times, than an erratic one (McCain)?

Dave

It's just sad that the Republicans are getting the blame for this whole mess. Obama is winning by doing nothing, and if it weren't for Nancy Pelosi going on a tirade against the Republicans like a bitch that she is on the House floor before they voted, we would've passed this bill and moved on. Instead, the Democrats  it up and the Republicans get most of the blame. It's really sad.

We're about to elect President Obama who's method of leadership is to vote present, and give him 60 seat majorities in the Senate and House. We're really screwed.

Whats ridiculous is Republicans voted against the bill [after saying a deal had been reached] just because they were "talked down to" or some ridiculous bullsh!t like that. If your really going to act that much like a child then you have no business being a Congressman. The only whining I hear today is from Republicans boohooing about being talked down to by Pelosi in the House.

Obama is winning because hes keeping a cool head and acting Presidential, while McCain is all over the place causing hissy fits suspending campaigns and relaxing in his condo talking on the phone after the meeting in Washington a couple days ago.

Acting Presidential by doing absolutely nothing? Honestly, the man delivered nothing in this case. No, I agree that the Republicans shouldn't have gotten so bent out of shape over it, but Pelosi needs to STFU and bite the bullet for the good of this country. This partisan bickering is getting ridiculous. Both sides need to shut up and get something done before our economy slips off a cliff. It was hardly the time for nancy Pelosi to get up there and run her mouth against the side she's trying to bring over.

If you honestly think Obama is being oh so Presidential about this by campaigning and saying it's not his problem, you're a moron. Is that what you want him to do if he's elected? He's running to be President of the United States, but he acts like he doesn't want the responsibility until it's absolutely necessary.

Just because Obama didn't suspend his campaign like a drama queen doesn't mean he thinks the economy is "not his problem". Both of them we're in Washington for the meeting, and both of them have set plans for what they would do concerning the economy and both of them said they would be present for the vote on the bailout plan. Their approach is what has been setting them apart. I do agree that the partisan bickering is getting pretty ridiculous and needs to stop. I also don't appreciate being called a moron, thanks.

[Sensei]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

Obama does nothing, McCain pulls a cheap stunt to try something very unpopular. Which is going to be worse? Duh.

exactly. McCain is trying to force maverick-ness out of the situation.

[Brittain33]

if it weren't for Nancy Pelosi going on a tirade against the Republicans like a bitch that she is on the House floor before they voted, we would've passed this bill and moved on.

That is very unlikely, IMO. Lots of Republicans were itching to vote no and were going to anyway; Pelosi's speech just gives Boehner something to hang it on. I was watching the News Hour last night and observers said that while Pelosi's whips were actives, Boehner's weren't at all. He had given up fighting the overwhelming desire of his caucus not to support it and didn't stop his reps from backsliding.

On edit: Michele Bachmann agrees, the speech wasn't it. The link in this paragraph from TPM is to Roll Call, so unfortunately I don't have access to it, but there's no way they misrepresented what she said.

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[Adlai Stevenson]

Its amazing to see Obama doing so well in North Carolina.  I still need more evidence to think that he can win, but still...great.

[The Dowager Mod]

It would be interesting if Barr costs Mc Cain North Carolina.

[HardRCafé]

No, I never liked Sen. McCain, I was just hoping that he would win and die so Sarah Palin would become President.

Thanks, I might have started to take you seriously if not for that.

[Ronnie]

It would be interesting if Barr costs Mc Cain North Carolina.

I stopped worrying about Barr loooooong ago.

[Barack Hussian YO MAMA!!!!]

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It's even more laughable when you consider that the current voter registration breakdown in NC is 45% Democrat, 32% Republican and 22% Unaffiliated. (D+13)

By way of comparison, in 2004 it was 47% Democrat, 34% Republican and 18% unaffiliated in 2004. (D+13)

Anyone who actually believes this poll, I have a bridge that I'll sell you real cheap.

looks Like Cleopatra wasn't the only queen of denial.

[classical liberal]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

Standing around and doing nothing is the correct policy for the federal government to pursue on any economic issue that does not involve establishing standard definitions to allow states to peacefully coexist and striking down state government imposed barriers to the free movement of goods, people, and ideas across state lines (like the one that disallows me from buying health insurance in KY for literally half of the price that they charge across the river here in OH).

I wish that Obama was half as committed to not involving himself in the endogenous business cycle as much after inauguration as he is during the campaign; if he was I would consider voting for him.

On the topic of this poll, McCain is down 2 with Barr getting 3.  Obviously on election day this would not happen.

[Josh/Devilman88]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

Standing around and doing nothing is the correct policy for the federal government to pursue on any economic issue that does not involve establishing standard definitions to allow states to peacefully coexist and striking down state government imposed barriers to the free movement of goods, people, and ideas across state lines (like the one that disallows me from buying health insurance in KY for literally half of the price that they charge across the river here in OH).

I wish that Obama was half as committed to not involving himself in the endogenous business cycle as much after inauguration as he is during the campaign; if he was I would consider voting for him.

On the topic of this poll, McCain is down 2 with Barr getting 3.  Obviously on election day this would not happen.

But it doesn't mean that the Barr voters will go to McCain, they could go to Obama too.

[Rowan]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

Standing around and doing nothing is the correct policy for the federal government to pursue on any economic issue that does not involve establishing standard definitions to allow states to peacefully coexist and striking down state government imposed barriers to the free movement of goods, people, and ideas across state lines (like the one that disallows me from buying health insurance in KY for literally half of the price that they charge across the river here in OH).

I wish that Obama was half as committed to not involving himself in the endogenous business cycle as much after inauguration as he is during the campaign; if he was I would consider voting for him.

On the topic of this poll, McCain is down 2 with Barr getting 3.  Obviously on election day this would not happen.

But it doesn't mean that the Barr voters will go to McCain, they could go to Obama too.

Or the more likely scenario, Barr voters will get high the day of the election, and forget to vote.

[Stranger in a strange land]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

Standing around and doing nothing is the correct policy for the federal government to pursue on any economic issue that does not involve establishing standard definitions to allow states to peacefully coexist and striking down state government imposed barriers to the free movement of goods, people, and ideas across state lines (like the one that disallows me from buying health insurance in KY for literally half of the price that they charge across the river here in OH).

I wish that Obama was half as committed to not involving himself in the endogenous business cycle as much after inauguration as he is during the campaign; if he was I would consider voting for him.

On the topic of this poll, McCain is down 2 with Barr getting 3.  Obviously on election day this would not happen.

But it doesn't mean that the Barr voters will go to McCain, they could go to Obama too.

Or the more likely scenario, Barr voters will get high the day of the election, and forget to vote.

or write in Ron Paul

[Josh/Devilman88]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

Standing around and doing nothing is the correct policy for the federal government to pursue on any economic issue that does not involve establishing standard definitions to allow states to peacefully coexist and striking down state government imposed barriers to the free movement of goods, people, and ideas across state lines (like the one that disallows me from buying health insurance in KY for literally half of the price that they charge across the river here in OH).

I wish that Obama was half as committed to not involving himself in the endogenous business cycle as much after inauguration as he is during the campaign; if he was I would consider voting for him.

On the topic of this poll, McCain is down 2 with Barr getting 3.  Obviously on election day this would not happen.

But it doesn't mean that the Barr voters will go to McCain, they could go to Obama too.

Or the more likely scenario, Barr voters will get high the day of the election, and forget to vote.

They could, but my point was, just because they are voting for Barr doesn't mean that their 2nd pick is McCain.

[Rowan]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

Standing around and doing nothing is the correct policy for the federal government to pursue on any economic issue that does not involve establishing standard definitions to allow states to peacefully coexist and striking down state government imposed barriers to the free movement of goods, people, and ideas across state lines (like the one that disallows me from buying health insurance in KY for literally half of the price that they charge across the river here in OH).

I wish that Obama was half as committed to not involving himself in the endogenous business cycle as much after inauguration as he is during the campaign; if he was I would consider voting for him.

On the topic of this poll, McCain is down 2 with Barr getting 3.  Obviously on election day this would not happen.

But it doesn't mean that the Barr voters will go to McCain, they could go to Obama too.

Or the more likely scenario, Barr voters will get high the day of the election, and forget to vote.

They could, but my point was, just because they are voting for Barr doesn't mean that their 2nd pick is McCain.

I agree.

[classical liberal]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

Standing around and doing nothing is the correct policy for the federal government to pursue on any economic issue that does not involve establishing standard definitions to allow states to peacefully coexist and striking down state government imposed barriers to the free movement of goods, people, and ideas across state lines (like the one that disallows me from buying health insurance in KY for literally half of the price that they charge across the river here in OH).

I wish that Obama was half as committed to not involving himself in the endogenous business cycle as much after inauguration as he is during the campaign; if he was I would consider voting for him.

On the topic of this poll, McCain is down 2 with Barr getting 3.  Obviously on election day this would not happen.

But it doesn't mean that the Barr voters will go to McCain, they could go to Obama too.

Or the more likely scenario, Barr voters will get high the day of the election, and forget to vote.

They could, but my point was, just because they are voting for Barr doesn't mean that their 2nd pick is McCain.

It is not a certainty, but it is more likely than not.  The entire reason to identify as a libertarian as opposed to a liberal is that you care about economic issues; with the economy front and center this close to the election, it is exceedingly likely that the election will be decided on economics, on which issue McCain is indeed the second choice after Barr.  Speaking for myself, I would to vote for Barr, but if it looks like Obama is going to win OH I may have to vote against him by holding my nose and voting for McCain instead.  Also, after Obama came out in the last debate as a relatively mild, but still recognizable, socialist while talking about the bailout, it is unlikely that, in consideration of the emphasis the economy is drawing to itself, Obama might be the second choice of Barr voters.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Don't 3rd parties almost always overpoll? Why is that?

I know Nader did in both 2000 and 2004, though that may have had more to do with the types of voters he attracted than anything else.

[NOVA Green]

I shudder to think that Obama may have "won" this issue by standing around and doing nothing while people bitch and moan about what McCain tried to do.

Standing around and doing nothing is the correct policy for the federal government to pursue on any economic issue that does not involve establishing standard definitions to allow states to peacefully coexist and striking down state government imposed barriers to the free movement of goods, people, and ideas across state lines (like the one that disallows me from buying health insurance in KY for literally half of the price that they charge across the river here in OH).

I wish that Obama was half as committed to not involving himself in the endogenous business cycle as much after inauguration as he is during the campaign; if he was I would consider voting for him.

On the topic of this poll, McCain is down 2 with Barr getting 3.  Obviously on election day this would not happen.

But it doesn't mean that the Barr voters will go to McCain, they could go to Obama too.

Or the more likely scenario, Barr voters will get high the day of the election, and forget to vote.

I don't know how much street cred Barr gets with pro-legalization Libertarians considering that he actually promoted much stricter laws as a Rep, before he became a Lib and started lobbying for NORML.

That having been said, I seriously doubt that Barr will get 3% in NC.... considering that the shambles his campaign has been I would be surprised to see him get above 1% in more than a handful of states.

[Alcon]

Don't 3rd parties almost always overpoll? Why is that?

Proxy for an "Other"/"None" option, even when one exists.  It also helps explain why many Nader/Barr voters seem to be fairweather McCain supporters.