Gallup: Bush up 8 in Ohio

[Nym90]

What is the China/Asia issue? Outsourcing? Immigration? Or the "coming WWIII with China"?

Well, I would say that outsourcing and our trade imbalance with China have strengthened them greatly....thus increasing the liklihood of some sort of future war with them. Trade with China should be severely reduced.

High trade with China makes them  more dependent on us.  China lacks capitol and secure transportation.  In the event of a war they have no free money to invest and no way to secure resources.

Making them economically dependent on our good graces is more likely to prevent a war.

True, but the problem is, we're more dependent on them than they are on us....We import a lot more than we export from China. Big business in the US is highly dependent on China, especially Walmart.

I agree, China needs us too, but if they really wanted to mess with us, they could cut us off, hurting both of our economies....but being a totalitarian dictatorship, they don't have to worry about the plight of the people like we do here.

[ATFFL]

What is the China/Asia issue? Outsourcing? Immigration? Or the "coming WWIII with China"?

Well, I would say that outsourcing and our trade imbalance with China have strengthened them greatly....thus increasing the liklihood of some sort of future war with them. Trade with China should be severely reduced.

High trade with China makes them  more dependent on us.  China lacks capitol and secure transportation.  In the event of a war they have no free money to invest and no way to secure resources.

Making them economically dependent on our good graces is more likely to prevent a war.

True, but the problem is, we're more dependent on them than they are on us....We import a lot more than we export from China. Big business in the US is highly dependent on China, especially Walmart.

I agree, China needs us too, but if they really wanted to mess with us, they could cut us off, hurting both of our economies....but being a totalitarian dictatorship, they don't have to worry about the plight of the people like we do here.

You have to look at what we import and export.  The loss of China would hurt the US economy, but there is, and will be for the forseeable future, free manufacturing capability.  We could also pick up on other emerging markets, like India, parts of Africa or Eastern Eruope.

China loses all the resources they need to do anything but basic agriculture.  Their only potential trade partner would be Russia.

Losing CHina hurts the US until we pick up the loss or find a new partner.

Losing the US kills China's modernization effort.  

Also, the area of China hurt the most would be the thriving east coast.  They would likely face far more trouble than you realize.  Dictatorships can be overthrown.

[Nym90]

What is the China/Asia issue? Outsourcing? Immigration? Or the "coming WWIII with China"?

Well, I would say that outsourcing and our trade imbalance with China have strengthened them greatly....thus increasing the liklihood of some sort of future war with them. Trade with China should be severely reduced.

High trade with China makes them  more dependent on us.  China lacks capitol and secure transportation.  In the event of a war they have no free money to invest and no way to secure resources.

Making them economically dependent on our good graces is more likely to prevent a war.

True, but the problem is, we're more dependent on them than they are on us....We import a lot more than we export from China. Big business in the US is highly dependent on China, especially Walmart.

I agree, China needs us too, but if they really wanted to mess with us, they could cut us off, hurting both of our economies....but being a totalitarian dictatorship, they don't have to worry about the plight of the people like we do here.

You have to look at what we import and export.  The loss of China would hurt the US economy, but there is, and will be for the forseeable future, free manufacturing capability.  We could also pick up on other emerging markets, like India, parts of Africa or Eastern Eruope.

China loses all the resources they need to do anything but basic agriculture.  Their only potential trade partner would be Russia.

Losing CHina hurts the US until we pick up the loss or find a new partner.

Losing the US kills China's modernization effort.  

Also, the area of China hurt the most would be the thriving east coast.  They would likely face far more trouble than you realize.  Dictatorships can be overthrown.

Yes, I support reducing trade with China, so as to screw over their economy and eventually bring them to collapse. Also to strengthen ours in the long run, as we'd be better off with more jobs in this country producing the products that we now import.

That was my point...big business doesn't want us to stop trading with China, and it would hurt our economy in the short term, but in the long run we'd be fine and we could finally bring them down. So let's start standing up to the Walmarts and do what's right.

I realize my last post was a little confusing (I'm tired...I apologize). I was trying to give the perspective of big business, which isn't necessarily the same as the US perspective on it as a whole.

[ATFFL]

Better for the US, and Big Business, would be to diversify.  Tap into those other markets and secure against a China problem.

Some are already, but they like to do it under the radar.

[CARLHAYDEN]

From what I've read, Bush has 60,000 ground volunteers in Ohio, which is nearly 3 times the number in 00

That coincides with what I am hearing.

Another difference is that the data base from which the Ohio people are working is far more sophisiticated than the one in 2000, and the training of the volunteers is far better.

If you add on the single sex marriage amendment on the Ohio ballot to the mix, I think Bush can really win decisively in Ohio this year.

[stry_cat]

Yes, I support reducing trade with China, so as to screw over their economy and eventually bring them to collapse.

Just what the world needs, another country with a bunch of
economically discontent people waiting for a demagogue to lead them to
war against the rich West. China needs to be brought further into the
world economy, so that its people will be come fat dumb and happy like
most Americans.

With free trade everyone benefits.  With free trade there are more
products and more innovation and everyone has an incentive to avoid
war.

[Nym90]

Yes, I support reducing trade with China, so as to screw over their economy and eventually bring them to collapse.

Just what the world needs, another country with a bunch of
economically discontent people waiting for a demagogue to lead them to
war against the rich West. China needs to be brought further into the
world economy, so that its people will be come fat dumb and happy like
most Americans.

With free trade everyone benefits.  With free trade there are more
products and more innovation and everyone has an incentive to avoid
war.

No, corporations benefit. The people who lose their good paying jobs in the US due to it don't benefit. And that's ultimately bad for the US economy because there are fewer people who are able to afford the products being sold. Lower prices aren't worth losing your job over, from an economic cost-benefit analysis.

Our wealth as a nation is based on how much we produce, not how much we consume. A trade deficit is bad for the US economy because we're taking away production that could otherwise be occuring here.

The workers in China working for slave wages don't benefit either, because if we cut back, we would actually give the government some incentive to reform, and they'd be forced to make some changes in their system (i.e., bring aout a democracy...)

We aren't making the Chinese fat, rich, and happy....a few people are getting insanely rich, and everyone else is working for miniscule wages. That's what happens when you have no labor unions, or labor standards, or safety standards, or environmental standards.