Will Killary pull a Joe-mentum?

[MODU]

After losing the Democratic nomination, do you think Killary will run as an Independent Democrat, banking on the belief that she is more electable and that the early states might switch their support for Obama to Killary following all the history/dirt of Obama finally coming to the surface, while hoping to pick up the Michigan and Florida votes after defending their right to be seated before the convention? (Yeah, long question.)

[Iosif is a COTHO]

Not unless she is certifiably insane.

[Sasquatch]

Not unless she is certifiably insane.

Her campaign is certifiably insane.

[Ronnie]

A guaranteed semi-landslide victory for McCain:

[Kaine for Senate '18]

If she did, she would be "taken care of" pretty quickly.

[DownWithTheLeft]

If she did, she would be "taken care of" pretty quickly.

That would be if the scenario was vice-versa, the Clintons take people out, not the other way around

[The Mikado]

McCain 47.7
Obama 42.3
Clinton 8.5
Other 1.5

Hillary Clinton loses most of her support, but retains enough to give John McCain a solid (though not resounding) victory.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Clinton will wait around like a vulture.

If Obama seizes defeat from the jaws of victory (which may happen if he keeps running his mouth) the Clinton will be telling everyone that if she had been nominated the Democrats would have carried the White House.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Results of the Election:

McCain 50%
Obama 31%
Clinton 17%

McCain wins all 50 states, loses DC by slim margin to Obama

[Verily]

A guaranteed semi-landslide victory for McCain:

Not if Rasmussen's poll was any indication (although I myself find the result highly suspect). He had McCain at 32, Obama at 31 and Clinton at 22 in a three-way election, which for the EC could mean basically anything from a large Obama majority to a large McCain majority (including a Clinton plurality, although that would be unlikely on such numbers).

She wouldn't do it. She's not stupid.

[The Mikado]

Clinton will wait around like a vulture.

If Obama seizes defeat from the jaws of victory (which may happen if he keeps running his mouth) the Clinton will be telling everyone that if she had been nominated the Democrats would have carried the White House.

Hillary Clinton will be 65 on Election Day, 2012.  The Clinton Administration will be a distant memory.  Every voter under 34 outside of NY will have never voted for a Clinton in a General Election.  She has alienated a large chunk of the Democratic Party, and, even in a potential Obama defeat, will share at least part of the blame.  Her people will be long gone from the Party infrastructure due to the Party's over a decade in the wilderness.  HRC will be a far less formidable primary candidate in 2012 than in 2008...and the Party's up-and-comers will be far less hesitant about taking her on.  Who knows?  A freshman Senator Mark Warner may try to repeat Barack Obama's primary strategy, in an even-more Internet-driven future.  2008 was likely her last chance.

[Sbane]

Clinton will wait around like a vulture.

If Obama seizes defeat from the jaws of victory (which may happen if he keeps running his mouth) the Clinton will be telling everyone that if she had been nominated the Democrats would have carried the White House.

Hillary Clinton will be 65 on Election Day, 2012.  The Clinton Administration will be a distant memory.  Every voter under 34 outside of NY will have never voted for a Clinton in a General Election.  She has alienated a large chunk of the Democratic Party, and, even in a potential Obama defeat, will share at least part of the blame.  Her people will be long gone from the Party infrastructure due to the Party's over a decade in the wilderness.  HRC will be a far less formidable primary candidate in 2012 than in 2008...and the Party's up-and-comers will be far less hesitant about taking her on.  Who knows?  A freshman Senator Mark Warner may try to repeat Barack Obama's primary strategy, in an even-more Internet-driven future.  2008 was likely her last chance.

I think this is the reason why she is still sticking around this year. She knows that the coalition that delivered Obama the win this year will still be around in 2012 and they will likely not support her again. Perhaps if there is a fractured field she has a chance but I think Mark Warner could easily take her out.

[Verily]

Clinton will wait around like a vulture.

If Obama seizes defeat from the jaws of victory (which may happen if he keeps running his mouth) the Clinton will be telling everyone that if she had been nominated the Democrats would have carried the White House.

Hillary Clinton will be 65 on Election Day, 2012.  The Clinton Administration will be a distant memory.  Every voter under 34 outside of NY will have never voted for a Clinton in a General Election.  She has alienated a large chunk of the Democratic Party, and, even in a potential Obama defeat, will share at least part of the blame.  Her people will be long gone from the Party infrastructure due to the Party's over a decade in the wilderness.  HRC will be a far less formidable primary candidate in 2012 than in 2008...and the Party's up-and-comers will be far less hesitant about taking her on.  Who knows?  A freshman Senator Mark Warner may try to repeat Barack Obama's primary strategy, in an even-more Internet-driven future.  2008 was likely her last chance.

I think this is the reason why she is still sticking around this year. She knows that the coalition that delivered Obama the win this year will still be around in 2012 and they will likely not support her again. Perhaps if there is a fractured field she has a chance but I think Mark Warner could easily take her out.

More importantly (if somewhat morbidly) a lot of likely Clinton supporters will have died by 2012. But a lot more likely Obama supporters will be eligible to vote. And, given how strongly ingrained opinions on both sides have become, I don't think Clinton could win back many of those who don't support her now against anyone credible in a primary (ignoring the general election, where it'd be much easier for either candidate).

[Torie]

Not unless she is certifiably insane.

^^^^^^

[Sam Spade]

She may try to destroy Obama, but not this way.

[Beet]

You mean like Teddy Roosevelt tried to challenge Taft after losing his party's nomination? We all see how that worked out... not very well!

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

What's the point? Ruin her chances in 2012 (not that she has much of a chance then anyway.)?

[King]

She would be like Anderson was to Reagan in 1980.  At first, it looked good for Carter to see the GOP split, but after awhile people stopped caring about Anderson and united around the stronger candidate in Reagan once again like they did in the primaries.