Wallace wins in 1968

[TommyC1776]

What if George Wallace won the presidency in 1968?  Would we still have segregation?

[Bunnybrit]

It would be very hard for Wallace to win the election 1968. He would have had to win all the south plus more.
The only way for Wallace to be become President is he gets the Dem nomination in 1972.

[© tweed]

I'm not sure Wallace ever really wanted to be president.

[PBrunsel]

I Wallacehave won in 1972, if he had a good running mate. He was liked by blue collar workers, midwestern famers, most of the South, and even some white collar men who were segregationists.

I think in 1972 he could have beat Nixon:



George Wallace/Henry Jackson: 364 Electoral Votes

Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew: 174 Electoral Votes

[King]

I Wallacehave won in 1972, if he had a good running mate. He was liked by blue collar workers, midwestern famers, most of the South, and even some white collar men who were segregationists.

I think in 1972 he could have beat Nixon:



George Wallace/Henry Jackson: 364 Electoral Votes

Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew: 174 Electoral Votes

I don't think the Hispanic Majority in New Mexico would vote in favor of Wallace.

[PBrunsel]

Wallace was well liked by hispanics.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Wallace would not win DC. Blacks aren't stupid. I can't see him winning NY either. You think he'd do well in the Bronx? Michigan, same thing, how well would he do in Detroit?

[PBrunsel]

Wallace would not win DC. Blacks aren't stupid. I can't see him winning NY either. You think he'd do well in the Bronx? Michigan, same thing, how well would he do in Detroit?

He was well liked in Michigan. And D.C. is so partisan it would vote for just about any one. New Yorkers did not like Nixon, we all know that. Wallace was an electbale candidate, far more than any of the others who ran.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

how the hell was he the most electable?

New Yorkers probably didn't like Nixon, but they certainly would've reluctantly voted for him over Wallace. It'd be like France 2002. Also Nixon wouldn't even need half the black vote in DC, since DC whites would be voting overwhelmingly for Nixon, with the France 2002 mindset. Mind you in 1964 every state Goldwater won except Arizona was considered solid Democratic, but they switched to Goldwater that year. It's pretty asinine to think that wouldn't happen in DC.

As for being "well liked" in Michigan, while he might've had more support there than in most states outside of the south, that's not saying much, since it meant he had around 15% approval as compared to 10%. There is no way he could've gotten more than Nixon.

[King]

I imagine Nixon could win DC if he would care enough to campaign there against Wallace. Nixon already had 25% in DC with McGovern without even campaigning, he could make 60-80% easily spreading the word about Wallace.

[Lunar]

If you give Wallace every state that he got at least 8% in gives him a slim victory.



275 (Wallace) vs 128 (D) vs 135 (R)

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Even if he got over 8% in those two, Wallace could never take Maryland or New Jersey.

[Lunar]

Even if he got over 8% in those two, Wallace could never take Maryland or New Jersey.

This scenario isn't really feasible anyway.  Maryland was actually one of Wallace's better states at around 15%.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

He probably did well in the rural parts, but he could never make serious inroads into the Baltimore and DC areas.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I think any scenarios are Wallace winning are just asinine and forgetting France 2002. Liberal Democrats would NEVER vote for Wallace.

Furthermore to say blacks would be stupid enough to vote for him is racist.

[PBrunsel]

how the hell was he the most electable?

Compared to "Cries on national televison" Ed Muskey, the super liberal McGovern and McCarthy, the helpless Utopian Dreamer Humphrey, Wallace looked the most in touch with the regular people.

We can not forget Wallace was the front runner for the nomination before he was shot.

[TommyC1776]

We can not forget Wallace was the front runner for the nomination before he was shot.

He was?

[PBrunsel]

We can not forget Wallace was the front runner for the nomination before he was shot.

He was?

Yes he was, by a large margin over McGovern and Muskey.

[King]

McGovern: "My nomination is soooooooo prec-e-us-us because th-is is the most opppppppppppppennn po-li-tickle pro-ceze in our po-li-tickle hiz-torie"

Democrats: "wo."

[Bunnybrit]

Wallace was the front runner in 1972 not 1968.
The only way for Wallace to become President is to get the dem nomination in 1972.
Dont forget in 1968 he ran as an independent and still got over 9 million votes. I think Wallace as the Dem candidate would have done ok but I dont think anyone could have beaten Nixon in 1972.

[King]

Wallace was the front runner in 1972 not 1968.
The only way for Wallace to become President is to get the dem nomination in 1972.
Dont forget in 1968 he ran as an independent and still got over 9 million votes. I think Wallace as the Dem candidate would have done ok but I dont think anyone could have beaten Nixon in 1972.

Yeah but the lineup (except for McGovern) was the same in 68 as 72 minus another dead Kennedy. (Humphrey, Muskie, McCarthy, and Wallace). Wallace was a Dem convention walkout and joined the American Independence Party (which also came in 3rd in 1972) and did not become an Independent.

[PBrunsel]

Wallace was a Dem convention walkout and joined the American Independence Party (which also came in 3rd in 1972) and did not become an Independent.

Actually, George Wallace FOUNDED the American Independent Party in 1967. He had to tip his hand that early to attain ballot status in California.

Wallace ran in '68 because he felt Humphrey and Nixon were too liberal when it came to the Vietnam War and the hippies.

[Keystone Phil]

Wallace was a Dem convention walkout and joined the American Independence Party (which also came in 3rd in 1972) and did not become an Independent.

Actually, George Wallace FOUNDED the American Independent Party in 1967. He had to tip his hand that early to attain ballot status in California.

Wallace ran in '68 because he felt Humphrey and Nixon were too liberal when it came to the Vietnam War and the hippies.

Wow. Nixon and Humphrey were hawks when it came to the war and he considered them liberals? I wonder how he felt about McCarthy and RFK.

[PBrunsel]

Wallace was a Dem convention walkout and joined the American Independence Party (which also came in 3rd in 1972) and did not become an Independent.

Actually, George Wallace FOUNDED the American Independent Party in 1967. He had to tip his hand that early to attain ballot status in California.

Wallace ran in '68 because he felt Humphrey and Nixon were too liberal when it came to the Vietnam War and the hippies.

Wow. Nixon and Humphrey were hawks when it came to the war and he considered them liberals? I wonder how he felt about McCarthy and RFK.

Wallace thought Gene McCarthy was a "damn Communist" as he called him many times. He couldn't stand RFK because he was a Kennedy, and Wallace did not like Kennedys.

He wanted to bomb North Vietnam with "conventional" weapons, by this he meant the Atomic Bomb.