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« on: March 19, 2024, 08:37:54 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2024, 09:23:36 PM »

If she's running against Fidel Castro, Jr. Justin Trudeau, she's the manifestation of all human virtue.  Massive FF.
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2024, 09:47:04 PM »

If she's running against Fidel Castro, Jr. Justin Trudeau, she's the manifestation of all human virtue.  Massive FF.

No that’s Pierre Polievre
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2024, 09:48:58 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2024, 09:49:42 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2024, 09:49:51 PM »

If she's running against Fidel Castro, Jr. Justin Trudeau, she's the manifestation of all human virtue.  Massive FF.

No that’s Pierre Polievre

Anyone but Trudeau.
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2024, 10:02:58 PM »
« Edited: March 25, 2024, 08:39:54 PM by OSR stands with Israel »

If she's running against Fidel Castro, Jr. Justin Trudeau, she's the manifestation of all human virtue.  Massive FF.

No that’s Pierre Polievre

Anyone but Trudeau.

You actually would be a huge fan of him :

- He led the charge against vaccine mandates

- he wants to slash a lot governemnt employees

- he is very pro gun

- he is running far more anti corporate economically than the avg conservative leader

- he’s taken RDS style postions on Trans issues


He’s also up 20 points in the polls
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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2024, 10:47:55 PM »

If she's running against Fidel Castro, Jr. Justin Trudeau, she's the manifestation of all human virtue.  Massive FF.

No that’s Pierre Polievre

Anyone but Trudeau.

You actually would be a huge fan of him :

- He led the charge against vaccine mandates

- he wants to slash a lot governemnt employees

- he is very pro gun

- he is running far more anti corporate economically than the avg conservative leader

- he’s taken RDS style postions on RDS issues


He’s also up 20 points in the polls
Except he's a fossil fuel sector corporate tool (as is Danielle Smith.)
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2024, 11:22:01 PM »

Except he's a fossil fuel sector corporate tool (as is Danielle Smith.)

Surely you recognize oil and mining are the backbones of the Canadian economy... the big Canadian banks don't have the muscle they do without natural resources, and more indirectly,  neither do the big pension funds.
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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2024, 11:33:05 PM »
« Edited: March 25, 2024, 12:10:41 AM by Benjamin Frank 2.0 »

Except he's a fossil fuel sector corporate tool (as is Danielle Smith.)

Surely you recognize oil and mining are the backbones of the Canadian economy... the big Canadian banks don't have the muscle they do without natural resources, and more indirectly,  neither do the big pension funds.

This is the propaganda the fossil fuel sector wants people to believe. Australian economist Richard Denniss has written much the same thing regarding the coal sector in Australia:

Stop believing in fairytales: Australia’s coal industry doesn’t employ many people or pay its fair share of tax
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/23/stop-believing-in-fairy-tales-australias-coal-industry-doesnt-employ-many-people-or-pay-its-fair-share-of-tax

And former Alberta Liberal Party leader has written that about Alberta
How the oil industry created a ‘deep state’ in Canada
https://macleans.ca/opinion/is-there-a-deep-state-in-albertas-oil-industry/

So, no, none of what you said is true. The mining and fossil fuel sector contribute just 5% to Canada's GDP. It certainly is true that oil and gas royalties can fund a disproportionate share of government revenue in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland and Labrador (and sometimes in British Columbia) but, that's all.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/594293/gross-domestic-product-of-canada-by-industry-monthly/

Also, I didn't mention mining.

There are positives to the fossil fuel sector for Canada and it's impossible to transition overnight to renewables but Poilievre goes well beyond that in separating out the carbon tax from other taxes that could be cut (and lying by leaving out the rebates in terms of the cost of the carbon tax), in threatening the British Columbia coast with ending the oil tanker ban which, as a moratorium, has existed since the early 1970s and, along with Danielle Smith, in trying to get taxpayer money to pay for the over $100 billion expense of abandoned oil wells.

This does not even include the Harper government that covered up oil spills (no pun intended), conducted likely illegal audits on environmental organizations (the Revenue Minister at the time, Kerry Lynne Findley, is still a Conservative M.P) or the Jason Kenney Alberta government that conducted a chill campaign against environmental organizations in order to 'cancel' them.

Pierre Poilievre isn't a global warming denier for nothing.
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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2024, 01:40:03 AM »
« Edited: March 25, 2024, 01:48:15 AM by Ontario Tory »

Except he's a fossil fuel sector corporate tool (as is Danielle Smith.)

Surely you recognize oil and mining are the backbones of the Canadian economy... the big Canadian banks don't have the muscle they do without natural resources, and more indirectly,  neither do the big pension funds.

This is the propaganda the fossil fuel sector wants people to believe. Australian economist Richard Denniss has written much the same thing regarding the coal sector in Australia:

Stop believing in fairytales: Australia’s coal industry doesn’t employ many people or pay its fair share of tax
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/23/stop-believing-in-fairy-tales-australias-coal-industry-doesnt-employ-many-people-or-pay-its-fair-share-of-tax

And former Alberta Liberal Party leader has written that about Alberta
How the oil industry created a ‘deep state’ in Canada
https://macleans.ca/opinion/is-there-a-deep-state-in-albertas-oil-industry/

So, no, none of what you said is true. The mining and fossil fuel sector contribute just 5% to Canada's GDP. It certainly is true that oil and gas royalties can fund a disproportionate share of government revenue in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland and Labrador (and sometimes in British Columbia) but, that's all.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/594293/gross-domestic-product-of-canada-by-industry-monthly/

Also, I didn't mention mining.

There are positives to the fossil fuel sector for Canada and it's impossible to transition overnight to renewables but Poilievre goes well beyond that in separating out the carbon tax from other taxes that could be cut (and lying by leaving out the rebates in terms of the cost of the carbon tax), in threatening the British Columbia coast with ending the oil tanker ban which, as a moratorium, has existed since the early 1970s and, along with Danielle Smith, in trying to get taxpayer money to pay for the over $100 billion expense of abandoned oil wells.

This does not even include the Harper government that covered up oil spills (no pun intended), conducted likely illegal audits on environmental organizations (the Revenue Minister at the time, Kerry Lynne Findley, is still a Conservative M.P) or the Jason Kenney Alberta government that conducted a chill campaign against environmental organizations in order to 'cancel' them.

Pierre Poilievre isn't a global warming denier for nothing.

According to government data, the energy sector accounts for 12% of our GDP (petroleum specifically is 7% of our GDP) and $12 billion in revenue annually. Not to mention that all of that extra tax revenue from Alberta that goes into the federal budget helps pay for social services in equalization receiving provinces.

Energy is also one of the reasons Canada is such a net exporter. The energy sector's exports are worth $240 billion annually, and the total value of our exports is about $780 billion annually. One third of our exports is a lot.

Direct jobs as a result of energy are about 1.5% of our total employment but if indirect jobs are included it's closer to 5%.

The oil & gas industry's net income in Canada is about $63 billion - given, as I mentioned, the fact that roughly one fifth of that amount enters Canadian government revenue, it suggests the oil industry does pay its taxes.

Regardless of the metric you look at it is still a large part of our economy, government revenues, exports, to some extent even employment.

Can you please provide more info on Harper covering up oil spills? I am not sure what you mean by this.
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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2024, 02:04:35 AM »
« Edited: March 25, 2024, 02:57:51 AM by Benjamin Frank 2.0 »

Except he's a fossil fuel sector corporate tool (as is Danielle Smith.)

Surely you recognize oil and mining are the backbones of the Canadian economy... the big Canadian banks don't have the muscle they do without natural resources, and more indirectly,  neither do the big pension funds.

This is the propaganda the fossil fuel sector wants people to believe. Australian economist Richard Denniss has written much the same thing regarding the coal sector in Australia:

Stop believing in fairytales: Australia’s coal industry doesn’t employ many people or pay its fair share of tax
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/23/stop-believing-in-fairy-tales-australias-coal-industry-doesnt-employ-many-people-or-pay-its-fair-share-of-tax

And former Alberta Liberal Party leader has written that about Alberta
How the oil industry created a ‘deep state’ in Canada
https://macleans.ca/opinion/is-there-a-deep-state-in-albertas-oil-industry/

So, no, none of what you said is true. The mining and fossil fuel sector contribute just 5% to Canada's GDP. It certainly is true that oil and gas royalties can fund a disproportionate share of government revenue in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland and Labrador (and sometimes in British Columbia) but, that's all.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/594293/gross-domestic-product-of-canada-by-industry-monthly/

Also, I didn't mention mining.

There are positives to the fossil fuel sector for Canada and it's impossible to transition overnight to renewables but Poilievre goes well beyond that in separating out the carbon tax from other taxes that could be cut (and lying by leaving out the rebates in terms of the cost of the carbon tax), in threatening the British Columbia coast with ending the oil tanker ban which, as a moratorium, has existed since the early 1970s and, along with Danielle Smith, in trying to get taxpayer money to pay for the over $100 billion expense of abandoned oil wells.

This does not even include the Harper government that covered up oil spills (no pun intended), conducted likely illegal audits on environmental organizations (the Revenue Minister at the time, Kerry Lynne Findley, is still a Conservative M.P) or the Jason Kenney Alberta government that conducted a chill campaign against environmental organizations in order to 'cancel' them.

Pierre Poilievre isn't a global warming denier for nothing.

According to government data, the energy sector accounts for 12% of our GDP and $12 billion in revenue annually. Not to mention that all of that extra tax revenue from Alberta that goes into the federal budget helps pay for social services in equalization receiving provinces.

Energy is also one of the reasons Canada is such a net exporter. The energy sector's exports are worth $240 billion annually, and the total value of our exports is about $780 billion annually. One third of our exports is a lot.

Direct jobs as a result of energy are about 1.5% of our total employment but if indirect jobs are included it's closer to 5%.

The oil industry's net income in Canada is about $63 billion - given, as I mentioned, the fact that roughly one fifth of that amount enters Canadian government revenue, it suggests the oil industry does pay its taxes.

Regardless of the metric you look at it is still a large part of our economy, government revenues, exports, to some extent even employment.

Can you please provide more info on Harper covering up oil spills? I am not sure what you mean by this.

1.Sure, that includes hydro power in British Columbia, Manitoba, Quebec and New Brunswick and nuclear power in Ontario. I don't know where you get that percentage on petroleum on, according to the link I posted, fossil fuels and mining account for 5-6% of GDP combined. I think it certainly could be correct though for that year given that fossil fuel prices tend to be very volatile.

2.I never said that the fossil fuel sector doesn't pay its fair share of taxes, I was linking an article from Australian economist Richard Denniss who argues that the coal sector in Australia doesn't pay its fair share of taxes.

The issue is whether these benefits mean that a party needs to be a global warming denying wholly owned subsidiary of the fossil fuel sector as the Conservatives are, in order to govern Canada.

For instance, Danielle Smith certainly seems to have no problem bad mouthing the alternative energy sector even though they're becoming increasingly important to the Alberta/Canadian economy (and despite Smith's attempts to slow that down.)

Ultimately the only real beneficiaries are the elite billionaire fossil fuel executives and their elite corporations which is often the cause for faux populists like Danielle Smith and Pierre Poilievre (and Stephen Harper, such as he was a populist.)

In regards to the coverup of oil spills, the CBC did I believe in 2015 an expose based on leaked documents of the Harper government helping the fossil fuel sector hide oil spills to not report them. I can't find that article or series of articles, but I certainly recall reading it at the time and it certainly fits with all the other things the Harper government tried to do on behalf of the fossil fuel sector.

I probably posted a link to the articles under my previous nickname.

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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2024, 12:19:55 PM »

Except he's a fossil fuel sector corporate tool (as is Danielle Smith.)

Surely you recognize oil and mining are the backbones of the Canadian economy... the big Canadian banks don't have the muscle they do without natural resources, and more indirectly,  neither do the big pension funds.

This is the propaganda the fossil fuel sector wants people to believe. Australian economist Richard Denniss has written much the same thing regarding the coal sector in Australia:

Stop believing in fairytales: Australia’s coal industry doesn’t employ many people or pay its fair share of tax
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/23/stop-believing-in-fairy-tales-australias-coal-industry-doesnt-employ-many-people-or-pay-its-fair-share-of-tax

And former Alberta Liberal Party leader has written that about Alberta
How the oil industry created a ‘deep state’ in Canada
https://macleans.ca/opinion/is-there-a-deep-state-in-albertas-oil-industry/

So, no, none of what you said is true. The mining and fossil fuel sector contribute just 5% to Canada's GDP. It certainly is true that oil and gas royalties can fund a disproportionate share of government revenue in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland and Labrador (and sometimes in British Columbia) but, that's all.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/594293/gross-domestic-product-of-canada-by-industry-monthly/

Also, I didn't mention mining.

There are positives to the fossil fuel sector for Canada and it's impossible to transition overnight to renewables but Poilievre goes well beyond that in separating out the carbon tax from other taxes that could be cut (and lying by leaving out the rebates in terms of the cost of the carbon tax), in threatening the British Columbia coast with ending the oil tanker ban which, as a moratorium, has existed since the early 1970s and, along with Danielle Smith, in trying to get taxpayer money to pay for the over $100 billion expense of abandoned oil wells.

This does not even include the Harper government that covered up oil spills (no pun intended), conducted likely illegal audits on environmental organizations (the Revenue Minister at the time, Kerry Lynne Findley, is still a Conservative M.P) or the Jason Kenney Alberta government that conducted a chill campaign against environmental organizations in order to 'cancel' them.

Pierre Poilievre isn't a global warming denier for nothing.

According to government data, the energy sector accounts for 12% of our GDP and $12 billion in revenue annually. Not to mention that all of that extra tax revenue from Alberta that goes into the federal budget helps pay for social services in equalization receiving provinces.

Energy is also one of the reasons Canada is such a net exporter. The energy sector's exports are worth $240 billion annually, and the total value of our exports is about $780 billion annually. One third of our exports is a lot.

Direct jobs as a result of energy are about 1.5% of our total employment but if indirect jobs are included it's closer to 5%.

The oil industry's net income in Canada is about $63 billion - given, as I mentioned, the fact that roughly one fifth of that amount enters Canadian government revenue, it suggests the oil industry does pay its taxes.

Regardless of the metric you look at it is still a large part of our economy, government revenues, exports, to some extent even employment.

Can you please provide more info on Harper covering up oil spills? I am not sure what you mean by this.

1.Sure, that includes hydro power in British Columbia, Manitoba, Quebec and New Brunswick and nuclear power in Ontario. I don't know where you get that percentage on petroleum on, according to the link I posted, fossil fuels and mining account for 5-6% of GDP combined. I think it certainly could be correct though for that year given that fossil fuel prices tend to be very volatile.

2.I never said that the fossil fuel sector doesn't pay its fair share of taxes, I was linking an article from Australian economist Richard Denniss who argues that the coal sector in Australia doesn't pay its fair share of taxes.

The issue is whether these benefits mean that a party needs to be a global warming denying wholly owned subsidiary of the fossil fuel sector as the Conservatives are, in order to govern Canada.

For instance, Danielle Smith certainly seems to have no problem bad mouthing the alternative energy sector even though they're becoming increasingly important to the Alberta/Canadian economy (and despite Smith's attempts to slow that down.)

Ultimately the only real beneficiaries are the elite billionaire fossil fuel executives and their elite corporations which is often the cause for faux populists like Danielle Smith and Pierre Poilievre (and Stephen Harper, such as he was a populist.)

In regards to the coverup of oil spills, the CBC did I believe in 2015 an expose based on leaked documents of the Harper government helping the fossil fuel sector hide oil spills to not report them. I can't find that article or series of articles, but I certainly recall reading it at the time and it certainly fits with all the other things the Harper government tried to do on behalf of the fossil fuel sector.

I probably posted a link to the articles under my previous nickname.



In the link I provided that shows the government data, there is another link that says 'download the energy factbook'. If you read that document, only 1.7% of that 12% is from electricity (not all electricity is hydro, some of it is fossil fuels like natural gas, but yes, most of it is hydro/nuclear). 7% is from petroleum, most of the rest is either due to natural gas or indirect GDP gains from the energy sector.

While our electricity sector is also good, it has an inherent limitation, which is that we can only export to one country (the United States). As the document I linked mentions, our fossil fuel sector can and does export to over 130 countries, resulting in much larger GDP and export growth gains from that sector.
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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2024, 08:02:13 PM »

Except he's a fossil fuel sector corporate tool (as is Danielle Smith.)

Surely you recognize oil and mining are the backbones of the Canadian economy... the big Canadian banks don't have the muscle they do without natural resources, and more indirectly,  neither do the big pension funds.

This is the propaganda the fossil fuel sector wants people to believe. Australian economist Richard Denniss has written much the same thing regarding the coal sector in Australia:

Stop believing in fairytales: Australia’s coal industry doesn’t employ many people or pay its fair share of tax
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/23/stop-believing-in-fairy-tales-australias-coal-industry-doesnt-employ-many-people-or-pay-its-fair-share-of-tax

And former Alberta Liberal Party leader has written that about Alberta
How the oil industry created a ‘deep state’ in Canada
https://macleans.ca/opinion/is-there-a-deep-state-in-albertas-oil-industry/

So, no, none of what you said is true. The mining and fossil fuel sector contribute just 5% to Canada's GDP. It certainly is true that oil and gas royalties can fund a disproportionate share of government revenue in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland and Labrador (and sometimes in British Columbia) but, that's all.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/594293/gross-domestic-product-of-canada-by-industry-monthly/

Also, I didn't mention mining.

There are positives to the fossil fuel sector for Canada and it's impossible to transition overnight to renewables but Poilievre goes well beyond that in separating out the carbon tax from other taxes that could be cut (and lying by leaving out the rebates in terms of the cost of the carbon tax), in threatening the British Columbia coast with ending the oil tanker ban which, as a moratorium, has existed since the early 1970s and, along with Danielle Smith, in trying to get taxpayer money to pay for the over $100 billion expense of abandoned oil wells.

This does not even include the Harper government that covered up oil spills (no pun intended), conducted likely illegal audits on environmental organizations (the Revenue Minister at the time, Kerry Lynne Findley, is still a Conservative M.P) or the Jason Kenney Alberta government that conducted a chill campaign against environmental organizations in order to 'cancel' them.

Pierre Poilievre isn't a global warming denier for nothing.

According to government data, the energy sector accounts for 12% of our GDP and $12 billion in revenue annually. Not to mention that all of that extra tax revenue from Alberta that goes into the federal budget helps pay for social services in equalization receiving provinces.

Energy is also one of the reasons Canada is such a net exporter. The energy sector's exports are worth $240 billion annually, and the total value of our exports is about $780 billion annually. One third of our exports is a lot.

Direct jobs as a result of energy are about 1.5% of our total employment but if indirect jobs are included it's closer to 5%.

The oil industry's net income in Canada is about $63 billion - given, as I mentioned, the fact that roughly one fifth of that amount enters Canadian government revenue, it suggests the oil industry does pay its taxes.

Regardless of the metric you look at it is still a large part of our economy, government revenues, exports, to some extent even employment.

Can you please provide more info on Harper covering up oil spills? I am not sure what you mean by this.

1.Sure, that includes hydro power in British Columbia, Manitoba, Quebec and New Brunswick and nuclear power in Ontario. I don't know where you get that percentage on petroleum on, according to the link I posted, fossil fuels and mining account for 5-6% of GDP combined. I think it certainly could be correct though for that year given that fossil fuel prices tend to be very volatile.

2.I never said that the fossil fuel sector doesn't pay its fair share of taxes, I was linking an article from Australian economist Richard Denniss who argues that the coal sector in Australia doesn't pay its fair share of taxes.

The issue is whether these benefits mean that a party needs to be a global warming denying wholly owned subsidiary of the fossil fuel sector as the Conservatives are, in order to govern Canada.

For instance, Danielle Smith certainly seems to have no problem bad mouthing the alternative energy sector even though they're becoming increasingly important to the Alberta/Canadian economy (and despite Smith's attempts to slow that down.)

Ultimately the only real beneficiaries are the elite billionaire fossil fuel executives and their elite corporations which is often the cause for faux populists like Danielle Smith and Pierre Poilievre (and Stephen Harper, such as he was a populist.)

In regards to the coverup of oil spills, the CBC did I believe in 2015 an expose based on leaked documents of the Harper government helping the fossil fuel sector hide oil spills to not report them. I can't find that article or series of articles, but I certainly recall reading it at the time and it certainly fits with all the other things the Harper government tried to do on behalf of the fossil fuel sector.

I probably posted a link to the articles under my previous nickname.



In the link I provided that shows the government data, there is another link that says 'download the energy factbook'. If you read that document, only 1.7% of that 12% is from electricity (not all electricity is hydro, some of it is fossil fuels like natural gas, but yes, most of it is hydro/nuclear). 7% is from petroleum, most of the rest is either due to natural gas or indirect GDP gains from the energy sector.

While our electricity sector is also good, it has an inherent limitation, which is that we can only export to one country (the United States). As the document I linked mentions, our fossil fuel sector can and does export to over 130 countries, resulting in much larger GDP and export growth gains from that sector.

1.To get back to the original point, the claim was 'oil and mining are the backbones of the Canadian economy.'   So, oil prices are volatile, so oil may contribute 5% to Canada's GDP one year and 7% the next, fine. Oil is not by any means Canada's largest industrial sector and is even less so the 'backbone' of the Canadian economy.

2.Yes, oil is consumed around the world and does provide export wealth for Canada. However, this is going to have to be declining for the world to meet its net zero target. Of course, oil has many uses other than for fuel which is fine if carbon limiting measures are used in the extraction of the oil, but bitumen oil is expensive and likely won't compete for most non energy needs. I appreciate there are some non energy uses that require bitumen oil and certainly Canada is in an excellent position to provide that.

But, all in all, expanding into a declining market generally doesn't make much business sense. If the world essentially gives up on trying to reduce carbon emissions as clearly people like Danielle Smith, Pierre Poilievre and their elite billionaire owners want, then all the blather from the right about leaving the horrors of leaving the debt for children to pay off or being 'pro life' will have been shown to be just another right wing lie.
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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2024, 08:09:31 PM »

If she's running against Fidel Castro, Jr. Justin Trudeau, she's the manifestation of all human virtue.  Massive FF.

No that’s Pierre Polievre

Anyone but Trudeau.

You actually would be a huge fan of him :

- he’s taken RDS style postions on RDS issues

why is this so funny
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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2024, 12:43:39 AM »

Smith is a nutbar and loves to say stupid things.  In terms of governing Alberta, so far hasn't yet done anything too radical but her stance during pandemic makes me think if an unexpected crisis hit province she would do something stupid.
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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2024, 09:09:50 PM »

Smith apparently also supports the mass immigration scam, so HP.

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/alberta-wants-more-control-over-immigration-and-more-ukrainian-refugees-to-fill-jobs
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