Target closing 9 stores in multiple cities due to theft costs

[GM Team Member and Deputy PPT WB]

My solution? Shut down Facebook Marketplace.

Newsflash: Stolen goods were resold well before that existed. Or even Craigslist.

just shut down every pawn shop and back alley

just ban crime lol

[Devout Centrist]

My solution? Shut down Facebook Marketplace.

Newsflash: Stolen goods were resold well before that existed. Or even Craigslist.

FB Marketplace makes it way easier to do. It's the volume that's the issue.

[gerritcole]

i proposed a solution a while back - all people of certain incomes/disadvantaged backgrounds should feel free to take anything they need from essential goods stores like target and then the gov simply reimburses target later for the merchandise

One of the few positive about communism is that after they have shoot me for being a social democrat, they send the shoplifter and you to some far of gulag in the middle of a frozen wasteland to learn the value of work. Yes, I don’t get to enjoy it, but at least I know everyone who don’t get shoot is going to wish they had been shoot.

For there to be new growth in a forest, the old trees need to burn. Small bugs like you and me may get caught up in the flames but the greater good may improve. I’ll see you in the gulag brother

[pbrower2a]

i proposed a solution a while back - all people of certain incomes/disadvantaged backgrounds should feel free to take anything they need from essential goods stores like target and then the gov simply reimburses target later for the merchandise

This sounds like the incentive I need to finally quit my job. Endorsed.

One of the things the left fundamentally doesn't understand is that these kinds of free handout programs absolutely 100% incentivize unemployment and other lazy behavior. If you can live in a beautiful luxurious "low-income" apartment, then you're incentivized to not work because you will be worse off with a better job and a more expensive apartment than you would be with a crappy job (or no job) and a cheap nice apartment. Same thing with free groceries. Same thing with the free COVID money. A lot of people with no principles or sense of shame chose not to work in order to get the free handout unemployment crap. It's just penalizing the few people who can be bothered to even attempt to contribute to society and it's disgusting.

There are people who will be in need due to no fault of their own. Remember well that welfare does not allow a particularly good life If a welfare recipient has nice things, then those come from the time before welfare.

About every aspect of the Good Life (and not mere survival) requires income from work (ignoring inheritance or crime). The consumer society, with its cars, electronic goodies, nice clothes, booze, restrant meals, and other stuff is enough to get people who can work back to work. Poverty is boring. Say what you want about obsolete stuff from thrift stores being acceptable (I find that stuff good for stretching my money), vacations mean something if one has the money with which to take a needed break. Entertainment is better. One can do hobbies. And, yes, employment is identity even if it is retail.     

[Pres Mike]

A part of me thinks we are inching ever closer to "all hell breaking loose"

For the most part, you can steal from big box retailers with relative impunity. Asset protection policies are basically "annoy shop lifters with good customer service until they leave" and "hope we can get car tags on camera".

About 90-99% of shop lifters get away with stealing

So, what happens when the entire degenerate class of society realize this?

Source: I work retail part time

[dead0man]

So, what happens when the entire degenerate class of society realize this?

I suspect there is a hard ceiling on the percentage of Americans/humans willing to make petty theft their job.  Many people of the degenerate class are on probation or wanted for previous crimes, they'd rather not come to the attention of the local police over something silly like shoplifting.  If you accidently mildly disrespect them at the gas station though, that's a different thing entirely.  "i'll go to prison to make sure a stranger I'll never see again knows not to briefly glance at my girl, wasup, cashe me outside"

[Pres Mike]

So, what happens when the entire degenerate class of society realize this?

I suspect there is a hard ceiling on the percentage of Americans/humans willing to make petty theft their job.  Many people of the degenerate class are on probation or wanted for previous crimes, they'd rather not come to the attention of the local police over something silly like shoplifting.  If you accidently mildly disrespect them at the gas station though, that's a different thing entirely.  "i'll go to prison to make sure a stranger I'll never see again knows not to briefly glance at my girl, wasup, cashe me outside"

I agree that for a wealthy first world nation like the US, there is a hard ceiling of people willing to steal. Lets say its 5%, with about 1% stealing on a normal basis. Perhaps 2% post COVID.

So basically, the number of shoplifters can steal double or triple. Considering retail is a low margin businesses, we could still see a "all hell break loose" scenario resulting in hundreds of store closures and food deserts.

I am a teacher. I teach the kids who are going to grow up to join the degenerate class because their parents are part of it.

But is the ceiling 5%? I mean, look at riots. Most people looting are people who normally wouldn't shoplift. But they think its ok when everyone is doing it? What happens if shoplifting gets so bad 10% of the population starts? That is a "all hell break loose scenario"

[Associate Justice PiT]

So, what happens when the entire degenerate class of society realize this?

I suspect there is a hard ceiling on the percentage of Americans/humans willing to make petty theft their job.  Many people of the degenerate class are on probation or wanted for previous crimes, they'd rather not come to the attention of the local police over something silly like shoplifting.  If you accidently mildly disrespect them at the gas station though, that's a different thing entirely.  "i'll go to prison to make sure a stranger I'll never see again knows not to briefly glance at my girl, wasup, cashe me outside"

I agree that for a wealthy first world nation like the US, there is a hard ceiling of people willing to steal. Lets say its 5%, with about 1% stealing on a normal basis. Perhaps 2% post COVID.

So basically, the number of shoplifters can steal double or triple. Considering retail is a low margin businesses, we could still see a "all hell break loose" scenario resulting in hundreds of store closures and food deserts.

I am a teacher. I teach the kids who are going to grow up to join the degenerate class because their parents are part of it.

But is the ceiling 5%? I mean, look at riots. Most people looting are people who normally wouldn't shoplift. But they think its ok when everyone is doing it? What happens if shoplifting gets so bad 10% of the population starts? That is a "all hell break loose scenario"

     There's probably a tipping point where shoplifting becomes normalized as a social activity and all sorts of people do it who wouldn't have done it in the past. This tipping point exists as a percentage of the population, but also a time horizon wherein it is widely done. People today are reacting with outrage at this phenomenon, but the children who are growing up now in a landscape where it is part of life may not have the same sense of looting and shoplifting as being transgressions of the established social order.

[Pres Mike]

So, what happens when the entire degenerate class of society realize this?

I suspect there is a hard ceiling on the percentage of Americans/humans willing to make petty theft their job.  Many people of the degenerate class are on probation or wanted for previous crimes, they'd rather not come to the attention of the local police over something silly like shoplifting.  If you accidently mildly disrespect them at the gas station though, that's a different thing entirely.  "i'll go to prison to make sure a stranger I'll never see again knows not to briefly glance at my girl, wasup, cashe me outside"

I agree that for a wealthy first world nation like the US, there is a hard ceiling of people willing to steal. Lets say its 5%, with about 1% stealing on a normal basis. Perhaps 2% post COVID.

So basically, the number of shoplifters can steal double or triple. Considering retail is a low margin businesses, we could still see a "all hell break loose" scenario resulting in hundreds of store closures and food deserts.

I am a teacher. I teach the kids who are going to grow up to join the degenerate class because their parents are part of it.

But is the ceiling 5%? I mean, look at riots. Most people looting are people who normally wouldn't shoplift. But they think its ok when everyone is doing it? What happens if shoplifting gets so bad 10% of the population starts? That is a "all hell break loose scenario"

     There's probably a tipping point where shoplifting becomes normalized as a social activity and all sorts of people do it who wouldn't have done it in the past. This tipping point exists as a percentage of the population, but also a time horizon wherein it is widely done. People today are reacting with outrage at this phenomenon, but the children who are growing up now in a landscape where it is part of life may not have the same sense of looting and shoplifting as being transgressions of the established social order.

We already have a generation of kids who think any police action is "racist". They think there is no such thing as "crime"

Doesn't mean they think stealing is ok but they think any action taken to stopping shoplifting makes you a "boot licker for evil Walmart" or "wanting to put innocent people in jail to feed the prison industrial complex for modern day slavery"

[Associate Justice PiT]

So, what happens when the entire degenerate class of society realize this?

I suspect there is a hard ceiling on the percentage of Americans/humans willing to make petty theft their job.  Many people of the degenerate class are on probation or wanted for previous crimes, they'd rather not come to the attention of the local police over something silly like shoplifting.  If you accidently mildly disrespect them at the gas station though, that's a different thing entirely.  "i'll go to prison to make sure a stranger I'll never see again knows not to briefly glance at my girl, wasup, cashe me outside"

I agree that for a wealthy first world nation like the US, there is a hard ceiling of people willing to steal. Lets say its 5%, with about 1% stealing on a normal basis. Perhaps 2% post COVID.

So basically, the number of shoplifters can steal double or triple. Considering retail is a low margin businesses, we could still see a "all hell break loose" scenario resulting in hundreds of store closures and food deserts.

I am a teacher. I teach the kids who are going to grow up to join the degenerate class because their parents are part of it.

But is the ceiling 5%? I mean, look at riots. Most people looting are people who normally wouldn't shoplift. But they think its ok when everyone is doing it? What happens if shoplifting gets so bad 10% of the population starts? That is a "all hell break loose scenario"

     There's probably a tipping point where shoplifting becomes normalized as a social activity and all sorts of people do it who wouldn't have done it in the past. This tipping point exists as a percentage of the population, but also a time horizon wherein it is widely done. People today are reacting with outrage at this phenomenon, but the children who are growing up now in a landscape where it is part of life may not have the same sense of looting and shoplifting as being transgressions of the established social order.

We already have a generation of kids who think any police action is "racist". They think there is no such thing as "crime"

Doesn't mean they think stealing is ok but they think any action taken to stopping shoplifting makes you a "boot licker for evil Walmart" or "wanting to put innocent people in jail to feed the prison industrial complex for modern day slavery"

     That's true, but I am thinking of Gen Alpha; the kids who are not old enough yet to vote, but whose minds are being shaped by circumstances now. When people speak of progress, they don't consider that progress can inculcate dangerous anti-society ideas and values into people's heads. I worry that the lurch towards normalizing shoplifting will see the next generation come of age with an unprecedented comfort with the concept of theft.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

So, what happens when the entire degenerate class of society realize this?

I suspect there is a hard ceiling on the percentage of Americans/humans willing to make petty theft their job.  Many people of the degenerate class are on probation or wanted for previous crimes, they'd rather not come to the attention of the local police over something silly like shoplifting.  If you accidently mildly disrespect them at the gas station though, that's a different thing entirely.  "i'll go to prison to make sure a stranger I'll never see again knows not to briefly glance at my girl, wasup, cashe me outside"

I agree that for a wealthy first world nation like the US, there is a hard ceiling of people willing to steal. Lets say its 5%, with about 1% stealing on a normal basis. Perhaps 2% post COVID.

So basically, the number of shoplifters can steal double or triple. Considering retail is a low margin businesses, we could still see a "all hell break loose" scenario resulting in hundreds of store closures and food deserts.

I am a teacher. I teach the kids who are going to grow up to join the degenerate class because their parents are part of it.

But is the ceiling 5%? I mean, look at riots. Most people looting are people who normally wouldn't shoplift. But they think its ok when everyone is doing it? What happens if shoplifting gets so bad 10% of the population starts? That is a "all hell break loose scenario"

     There's probably a tipping point where shoplifting becomes normalized as a social activity and all sorts of people do it who wouldn't have done it in the past. This tipping point exists as a percentage of the population, but also a time horizon wherein it is widely done. People today are reacting with outrage at this phenomenon, but the children who are growing up now in a landscape where it is part of life may not have the same sense of looting and shoplifting as being transgressions of the established social order.

We already have a generation of kids who think any police action is "racist". They think there is no such thing as "crime"

Doesn't mean they think stealing is ok but they think any action taken to stopping shoplifting makes you a "boot licker for evil Walmart" or "wanting to put innocent people in jail to feed the prison industrial complex for modern day slavery"

While there are additional consequences to society as a whole for supporting those positions, there's also an amount of truth in them.

The Republicans beloved trickle-down theory is true in one sense: when the whole nation watches high-flying finance crooks escape prosecution for vast financial fraud, when the leader of the Republican party is crooked con-man and traitor who still walks free, it's hard to get young people to take "rule of law" as a serious concept. Which is what Republicans, who loathe rule of law, want.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

I wish the media would stop taking these big box stores at face value. Shoplifting is a problem but it's far from the biggest financial issue they face and gets scapegoated for much bigger issues.

This isn’t about Target, I do not give a sh**t if they have lower profits. It’s about the fact crime is high enough to make such moves economically sound.

And I'm saying not to take them at face value that shoplifting is the main reason they're closing stores.

Fr. Half the time they close a store due to “shoplifting” it’s actually due to unionizing efforts making headway

[Pres Mike]

I wish the media would stop taking these big box stores at face value. Shoplifting is a problem but it's far from the biggest financial issue they face and gets scapegoated for much bigger issues.

This isn’t about Target, I do not give a sh**t if they have lower profits. It’s about the fact crime is high enough to make such moves economically sound.

And I'm saying not to take them at face value that shoplifting is the main reason they're closing stores.

Fr. Half the time they close a store due to “shoplifting” it’s actually due to unionizing efforts making headway

There doesn't seem to be a unionizing effort underway at these 9 stores. The story is pretty old now, I am sure it would have been reported by now.