Danish General Election 2007

[ag]

By the way, Lewis was joking when he called Greenland and Faroe Islands, colonies.

He wasn't the only one . But "self-rule overseas territories" is a terrible mouthfull.

[Jens]

By the way, Lewis was joking when he called Greenland and Faroe Islands, colonies.

He wasn't the only one . But "self-rule overseas territories" is a terrible mouthfull.

True, but a sure way to piss of our Greenlandic and Faroe friends it to call their countries colonies

[Јas]

A couple of questions:

What chance (if any) that the Danish People's Party will seek/get cabinet posts?

Will the result have any bearing on whether a referendum on the EU Reform Treaty is more or less likely?

[Jens]

A couple of questions:

What chance (if any) that the Danish People's Party will seek/get cabinet posts?

None. They are not even asking for it.

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It all depends on what the Liberals and Social Democrats decides, but the Socialists and Danish People's Party do have enough mandates to force a referendum. Whether DF will risk the corporation with the government by doing that, I don't know (and I don't think that DF knows either.

[Јas]

A couple of questions:

What chance (if any) that the Danish People's Party will seek/get cabinet posts?

None. They are not even asking for it.

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It all depends on what the Liberals and Social Democrats decides, but the Socialists and Danish People's Party do have enough mandates to force a referendum. Whether DF will risk the corporation with the government by doing that, I don't know (and I don't think that DF knows either.

How influential has the DPP been over the course of the last government? (e.g. which elements of government policy would not have been there but for DPP's influence)

What would DPP be risking by trying to force a referendum?

[minionofmidas]

This would imply the colonies will be decisive

No it wouldn't....
C+O+V+Y=1+25+46+5=94, which is more than half of 179...

Except that Y and O would likely have mutually unacceptable demands

That's what we would think... but the Danes just count all left seats versus all right seats... and Y's "yeah well, we'd be totally fine with Rasmussen if only it wasn't for his dastardly policies" is enough to count them as right.

[Umengus]

I'm happy for results. good to see the bad result of the new "center-right" party. Very very good. Pundits and medias suck. This party is nothing.

[minionofmidas]

As to the Colonies results...
Both in Greenland and the Faeroe Islands there are four major parties (the Faeroe election was contested by two smaller parties as well) and two seats available. In either case there's two major cleavages - left/right and separatist/prodanish.
The Faeroes have the logical distribution (one left separatist, one left prodanish, one right separatist, one right prodanish) with the kinks that the left separatist party isn't very far left while the left prodanish party is closely affiliated to the Danish Social Democrats.
Anyways:
LS (the Republicans) topped the poll, as two years ago
RD (the Union Party) took the second seat, replacing
RS (the People's Party) while
LD (the Social Democrats) came fourth once again. First and fourth are just 5 percentage points apart.

In Greenland it's even stranger as there's two leftist separatist parties and two rightist prodanish parties. It's just that within either of these two blocks, the party that's more extreme on the one issue is less extreme on the other. Anyways, the Left has a large structural majority and easily held the two seats.

[Jens]

A couple of questions:

What chance (if any) that the Danish People's Party will seek/get cabinet posts?

None. They are not even asking for it.

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It all depends on what the Liberals and Social Democrats decides, but the Socialists and Danish People's Party do have enough mandates to force a referendum. Whether DF will risk the corporation with the government by doing that, I don't know (and I don't think that DF knows either.

How influential has the DPP been over the course of the last government? (e.g. which elements of government policy would not have been there but for DPP's influence)

What would DPP be risking by trying to force a referendum?

First, Danish politics has traditional been corporation over the middle, as we call it. The Social Liberal party held the decisive votes until 2001. After that the liberal-conservative government has had a majority with the right wing DPP, thus not needing to make compromises with the centre nor the Social Democrats. One major thing is that the budget has been solely a VCO budget since 2001, traditionally the for "old" parties, Social Democrats, Social Liberals, Conservatives and Liberals has been part of nearly all budget -"laws" as we call it, the last 80-100 years.
Our immigration policies wouldn't have been so harsh if it wasn't for DPP (plenty of Liberals and Conservatives find them way to hard) and DPP also promotes a very old school school politic - first and foremost has their more or less openly hatred towards Muslims created widespread institutionalised discrimination towards our etnic minorities (not specifically Muslims, Christian Kurds, Tamils, Africans, Latin Americans are also affected because they look foreign aka not white and blond)

If DPP forced a referendum, it might cause the breakup of the government. The Conservatives are already not very fond of DPP and such a radical break with the governments politics could cause widespread rebellion among the CPP fodsoldiers (remember that the party organisations are quite strong in Denmark, and hold some influence over their local MPs)

[Jens]

As to the Colonies results...
Both in Greenland and the Faeroe Islands there are four major parties (the Faeroe election was contested by two smaller parties as well) and two seats available. In either case there's two major cleavages - left/right and separatist/prodanish.
The Faeroes have the logical distribution (one left separatist, one left prodanish, one right separatist, one right prodanish) with the kinks that the left separatist party isn't very far left while the left prodanish party is closely affiliated to the Danish Social Democrats.
Anyways:
LS (the Republicans) topped the poll, as two years ago
RD (the Union Party) took the second seat, replacing
RS (the People's Party) while
LD (the Social Democrats) came fourth once again. First and fourth are just 5 percentage points apart.

In Greenland it's even stranger as there's two leftist separatist parties and two rightist prodanish parties. It's just that within either of these two blocks, the party that's more extreme on the one issue is less extreme on the other. Anyways, the Left has a large structural majority and easily held the two seats.

I have to say that I disagree a bit with you. Lewis. In both Greenland and Faroe Islands the left wing independence are quite a bit on the left side - usually they are compared to SPP in Denmark.

By the way, where did you get those Faroe letters from?

The parties are is Faroese:
Tjóðveldi(-sflokkurin) = Republicans (Former: Republican Party)
Sambandsflokkurin = Union Party
Fólkaflokkurin = People's Party
Javnaðarflokkurin = Social Democratic Party

The more obvious would be TF, SF, FF and JF

[freek]

By the way, where did you get those Faroe letters from?

I think he made them up, where L stands for Left, R for Right, S for Separatist and D for pro-Danish.

[minionofmidas]

By the way, Lewis was joking when he called Greenland and Faroe Islands, colonies.

He wasn't the only one . But "self-rule overseas territories" is a terrible mouthfull.

True, but a sure way to piss of our Greenlandic and Faroe friends it to call their countries colonies

Even the 50% or so of them who want independence?

[minionofmidas]

As to the Colonies results...
Both in Greenland and the Faeroe Islands there are four major parties (the Faeroe election was contested by two smaller parties as well) and two seats available. In either case there's two major cleavages - left/right and separatist/prodanish.
The Faeroes have the logical distribution (one left separatist, one left prodanish, one right separatist, one right prodanish) with the kinks that the left separatist party isn't very far left while the left prodanish party is closely affiliated to the Danish Social Democrats.
Anyways:
LS (the Republicans) topped the poll, as two years ago
RD (the Union Party) took the second seat, replacing
RS (the People's Party) while
LD (the Social Democrats) came fourth once again. First and fourth are just 5 percentage points apart.

In Greenland it's even stranger as there's two leftist separatist parties and two rightist prodanish parties. It's just that within either of these two blocks, the party that's more extreme on the one issue is less extreme on the other. Anyways, the Left has a large structural majority and easily held the two seats.

I have to say that I disagree a bit with you. Lewis. In both Greenland and Faroe Islands the left wing independence are quite a bit on the left side - usually they are compared to SPP in Denmark.

Eh well... I largely went off Wikipedia... (and in Greenland, both left parties are way left... sorry for not making that clearer)

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Nowhere. They're just shorthand for "left separatist", "left prodanish", etc.

[Јas]

By the way, Lewis was joking when he called Greenland and Faroe Islands, colonies.

He wasn't the only one . But "self-rule overseas territories" is a terrible mouthfull.

True, but a sure way to piss of our Greenlandic and Faroe friends it to call their countries colonies

Even the 50% or so of them who want independence?

If the Irish experience is anything to go by, then especially those that want independence.

[Jens]

The fun has begun. A little week ago the former chairman of the Conservative People's Party, Pia Christmas Møller (niece of the resistance hero John Christmas Møller) left the KF reducing the PM's majority to a minority of 89. This doesn't mean new elections since their isn't a majority against the government (Christmas Møller and New Alliance will not join the left in voting the government down), but it forces the government to find a majority beyond Danish People's Party.

On other news, Denmark will not be voting about the new EU-treaty because of some technicality