Florida woman calls for the death of all Palestinians

[John Dule]

These are the people who will simultaneously demand that you condemn Hamas in every other breath.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

But I was told by Shaula the GOP will be Pro Palestine ! /s

[Meclazine for Israel]

Just for context with Florida women.

News Story Link

A Florida woman is distraught after losing her 400lb pet pig name "pork chop".

"I don't know what else to say about that. They took Pork Chop away from me," said Kelly Jacobson, Pork Chop's owner.

Pork Chop

https://youtu.be/cJTPligC14g

[Tekken_Guy]

These are the people who will simultaneously demand that you condemn Hamas in every other breath.

And condemning Hamas is wrong how?

[John Dule]

These are the people who will simultaneously demand that you condemn Hamas in every other breath.

And condemning Hamas is wrong how?

Oh God, no, I condemn Hamas! Please don’t think for a second I don’t condemn Hamas! Please, mercy— I condemn Hamas— please spare me— oh dear lord, I can hear the drones! I swear, I didn’t mean to imply whatsoever that I don’t condemn Hamas! I absolutely condemn Hamas! Please, not the hellfire missiles! With my last breath, I condemn Hama——

[T'Chenka]

These are the people who will simultaneously demand that you condemn Hamas in every other breath.

And condemning Hamas is wrong how?

It's f__king implied.

People should be able to talk about Gaza and Palestinians without HAVING to say "and I condemn Hamas", and then if they don't say it, the automatic social assumption is that they are pro-Hamas. That's not how things are supposed to work.

[GM Team Member and Deputy PPT WB]

Just for context with Florida women.

News Story Link

A Florida woman is distraught after losing her 400lb pet pig name "pork chop".

"I don't know what else to say about that. They took Pork Chop away from me," said Kelly Jacobson, Pork Chop's owner.

Pork Chop

https://youtu.be/cJTPligC14g

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[Brittain33]

Rhetoric like this is wrong. It’s okay to fully support Israel’s fight against Hamas. It’s not okay to advocate for the killing of all Palestinians for Hamas’s actions.

On the other side. It’s okay to think Israel is being too cavalier with Palestinian lives. Accusing Israel of being a genocidal apartheid country like Tlaib and her friends do is not okay.

"Fully supporting Israel's fight against Hamas" = advocating for the killing of (not necessarily all, but at least quite a few, whose lives are just collateral damage) Palestinians for Hamas' actions

Would you describe supporting Britain in WW2 “advocating for the killing of (not necessarily all, but at least quite a few, whose lives are just collateral damage) Germans for the Nazis' actions”? Does that framework sound convincing to you?

[Brittain33]

These are the people who will simultaneously demand that you condemn Hamas in every other breath.

And condemning Hamas is wrong how?

Oh God, no, I condemn Hamas! Please don’t think for a second I don’t condemn Hamas! Please, mercy— I condemn Hamas— please spare me— oh dear lord, I can hear the drones! I swear, I didn’t mean to imply whatsoever that I don’t condemn Hamas! I absolutely condemn Hamas! Please, not the hellfire missiles! With my last breath, I condemn Hama——

Not sure anyone is firing missiles at the college campuses, European city centers, and interviews with Jeremy Corbyn where people are celebrating “from the river to the sea” and steadfastly refuse to acknowledge that Hamas is a nihilistic death cult. As much as white leftists think they’re the victims, it doesn’t make them so.

[Brittain33]

These are the people who will simultaneously demand that you condemn Hamas in every other breath.

And condemning Hamas is wrong how?

It's f__king implied.

People should be able to talk about Gaza and Palestinians without HAVING to say "and I condemn Hamas", and then if they don't say it, the automatic social assumption is that they are pro-Hamas. That's not how things are supposed to work.

“condemn with every breath” is a straw man. People in the west are being called out for responding to October 7 with statements blaming Israel or going “all lives matter” and then absolutely refusing to acknowledge what Hamas is, not even once, not even when pressed. It sounds like you and John Dule are ok with that, but that’s what we’re talking about.

[afleitch]

These are the people who will simultaneously demand that you condemn Hamas in every other breath.

And condemning Hamas is wrong how?

It's f__king implied.

People should be able to talk about Gaza and Palestinians without HAVING to say "and I condemn Hamas", and then if they don't say it, the automatic social assumption is that they are pro-Hamas. That's not how things are supposed to work.

“condemn with every breath” is a straw man. People in the west are being called out for responding to October 7 with statements blaming Israel or going “all lives matter” and then absolutely refusing to acknowledge what Hamas is, not even once, not even when pressed. It sounds like you and John Dule are ok with that, but that’s what we’re talking about.

FWIW, not once in this thread have you condemned anything related to the OP.

[T'Chenka]

And condemning Hamas is wrong how?

It's f__king implied.

People should be able to talk about Gaza and Palestinians without HAVING to say "and I condemn Hamas", and then if they don't say it, the automatic social assumption is that they are pro-Hamas. That's not how things are supposed to work.

“condemn with every breath” is a straw man.

Every time I open a newspaper or see articles online, there's always a subtle hint towards "pro-Palestine = Hamas apologist". It's EVERYWHERE in the mainstream media. Merely stating that you are "pro-Palestine" or "support Palestine" is seen as suspicious and questionable. After all the horrible things Israel's government / military has done in the last month, and the 5 figure death count of Palestinians, saying you are "pro Israel" is never seen as suspicious or questionable in the mainstream media. There's a clear and strong mainstream narrative that Palestine is "the bad guy" and Israel is "the good guy".

If this Florida congresswoman had said this about Israelis instead of Palestinians, she would be immediately censured and possibly expelled.

People in the west are being called out for responding to October 7 with statements blaming Israel or going “all lives matter” and then absolutely refusing to acknowledge what Hamas is, not even once, not even when pressed. It sounds like you and John Dule are ok with that, but that’s what we’re talking about.

Who are these people you are talking about? I do not deny their existence, but why do these handful of people somehow represent the overall movement for justice for Palestinians? I've seen a lot of people online that want justice and an end to war crimes in Gaza, and the VAST majority of them think Hamas is evil and don't say insane s__t about how innocent Israelis deserved to die. Of course, it fits a lot of strong narratives that are being pushed to over-emphasize the crazies and de-emphasize the other 90%+ of people who dislike war crimes, apartheid and genocide.

Also, you mentioned people saying "all lives matter" or something like that. I'm not sure of exactly what you're referring to, but I don't think it's unreasonable for people to say things like "what happened on October 7th was disgusting and terrible, however, I would like you to also acknowledge that 10 thousand Palestinians are dead, many of which are children".

[Brittain33]

These are the people who will simultaneously demand that you condemn Hamas in every other breath.

And condemning Hamas is wrong how?

It's f__king implied.

People should be able to talk about Gaza and Palestinians without HAVING to say "and I condemn Hamas", and then if they don't say it, the automatic social assumption is that they are pro-Hamas. That's not how things are supposed to work.

“condemn with every breath” is a straw man. People in the west are being called out for responding to October 7 with statements blaming Israel or going “all lives matter” and then absolutely refusing to acknowledge what Hamas is, not even once, not even when pressed. It sounds like you and John Dule are ok with that, but that’s what we’re talking about.

FWIW, not once in this thread have you condemned anything related to the OP.

That’s easy. I condemn her and what she said.

[Brittain33]

These are the people who will simultaneously demand that you condemn Hamas in every other breath.

And condemning Hamas is wrong how?

It's f__king implied.

People should be able to talk about Gaza and Palestinians without HAVING to say "and I condemn Hamas", and then if they don't say it, the automatic social assumption is that they are pro-Hamas. That's not how things are supposed to work.

“condemn with every breath” is a straw man. People in the west are being called out for responding to October 7 with statements blaming Israel or going “all lives matter” and then absolutely refusing to acknowledge what Hamas is, not even once, not even when pressed. It sounds like you and John Dule are ok with that, but that’s what we’re talking about.

Btw, to make this clear for anyone confused, I’m not accusing anyone on the Forum of “being a Hamas sympathizer” with this post. I’m noting they are untroubled by Hamas sympathizers, which is a step away.

[Brittain33]

T’Chenka, what came to mind first were the Harvard statement, Ryna Workman’s statement, Jeremy Corbyn’s comments, and comments by people like Rashida Tlaib who will only acknowledge Israeli deaths in phrasing where they are paired with Palestinian deaths (“all lives matter”). All of those statements before Israel responded.

[T'Chenka]

T’Chenka, what came to mind first were the Harvard statement, Ryna Workman’s statement, Jeremy Corbyn’s comments, and comments by people like Rashida Tlaib who will only acknowledge Israeli deaths in phrasing where they are paired with Palestinian deaths (“all lives matter”). All of those statements before Israel responded.

I haven't read all of those in their entirety, but assuming they are what they seem to be at face value, I reject those. I am not "untroubled" by them, but I reject the false narrative that these people are representative of the majority of people who want to see and end to the death and better solutions for Palestinian civilians. I am less troubled than you by Hamas sympathizers because I know that they don't represent as many people as you think they represent.

What Israel is doing is wrong and immoral. Are Hamas angels? Not at all, in fact, they're even worse than Israel's government and military. But that doesn't change the fact that Israel is engaging in wrong-doing and innocent people are suffering and dying. A lot of people feel this way. When we try to make our voices heard, we're just lumped in with Tlaib and others so that our voices can be immediately written off and ignored. It's not right.

[afleitch]

These are the people who will simultaneously demand that you condemn Hamas in every other breath.

And condemning Hamas is wrong how?

It's f__king implied.

People should be able to talk about Gaza and Palestinians without HAVING to say "and I condemn Hamas", and then if they don't say it, the automatic social assumption is that they are pro-Hamas. That's not how things are supposed to work.

“condemn with every breath” is a straw man. People in the west are being called out for responding to October 7 with statements blaming Israel or going “all lives matter” and then absolutely refusing to acknowledge what Hamas is, not even once, not even when pressed. It sounds like you and John Dule are ok with that, but that’s what we’re talking about.

FWIW, not once in this thread have you condemned anything related to the OP.

That’s easy. I condemn her and what she said.

I just found it curious you were grandstanding on 'not enough Hamas condemning!!!' while not engaging with the OP.

Personally, I think such things are usually implied. But that's just me.

[Brittain33]

These are the people who will simultaneously demand that you condemn Hamas in every other breath.

And condemning Hamas is wrong how?

It's f__king implied.

People should be able to talk about Gaza and Palestinians without HAVING to say "and I condemn Hamas", and then if they don't say it, the automatic social assumption is that they are pro-Hamas. That's not how things are supposed to work.

“condemn with every breath” is a straw man. People in the west are being called out for responding to October 7 with statements blaming Israel or going “all lives matter” and then absolutely refusing to acknowledge what Hamas is, not even once, not even when pressed. It sounds like you and John Dule are ok with that, but that’s what we’re talking about.

FWIW, not once in this thread have you condemned anything related to the OP.

That’s easy. I condemn her and what she said.

I just found it curious you were grandstanding on 'not enough Hamas condemning!!!' while not engaging with the OP.

Personally, I think such things are usually implied. But that's just me.

If you’re arguing that Cori Bush, Jeremy Corbyn, and Students for Justice in Palestine haven’t condemned Hamas because no one’s asked them yet or they haven’t had the opportunity, well, my people are notoriously bad at appreciating British humor.

[Brittain33]

I’m pretty comfortable that I replied to the posts I replied to, which cast a wide net, without responding to the original post. I’ll concede, yes, I did that.

[Dr. MB]

Rhetoric like this is wrong. It’s okay to fully support Israel’s fight against Hamas. It’s not okay to advocate for the killing of all Palestinians for Hamas’s actions.

On the other side. It’s okay to think Israel is being too cavalier with Palestinian lives. Accusing Israel of being a genocidal apartheid country like Tlaib and her friends do is not okay.

"Fully supporting Israel's fight against Hamas" = advocating for the killing of (not necessarily all, but at least quite a few, whose lives are just collateral damage) Palestinians for Hamas' actions

Would you describe supporting Britain in WW2 “advocating for the killing of (not necessarily all, but at least quite a few, whose lives are just collateral damage) Germans for the Nazis' actions”? Does that framework sound convincing to you?

WWII isn’t comparable to any conflict before then or since and i’m tired of the comparisons. Entirely different situation.