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« on: October 04, 2023, 04:51:03 PM »

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/far-right-essayist-jailed-in-switzerland-for-homophobic-remarks/48855206
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According to the public prosecutor's office, these comments are not just defamatory. "These are not just words; they are messages. Mr. Soral has hatred and contempt for homosexuals," said Eric Kaltenrieder, the public prosecutor.

Kaltenrieder had asked for three months' imprisonment as part of a "penal logic" to "dissuade the defendant from re-offending", since Soral had already been convicted on some 20 occasions in France, largely for offences of provocation to hatred, defamation and anti-Semitic insult.
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2023, 04:59:11 PM »

This has dissuaded DaleCooper from going to Switzerland.
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2023, 04:59:23 PM »

While I don't approve, you can kinda understand why Europe might be a little more sensitive about far right homophobic anti-Semites -- especially those convicted 20 times before for hate-related offenses. This guy is obviously asking for it, and I mean that quite literally. I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted this to happen to be a martyr, and between that and the small likelihood this "penal logic" will actually "dissuade the defendant from re-offending," I kinda wish they hadn't taken the bait. And that's why I don't approve and prefer the US's free speech. Let these hateful idiots rant and rave. They ARE just words, regardless of the hatred and contempt behind them. Don't give them the time of day, simply let them expose their ugly bigotry to the world and make fools of themselves, and it's likely that the social ramifications will be more than enough punishment for them.
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2023, 05:14:03 PM »

Surprising news - Switzerland is one of the least likely countries in Europe to have such a law on the books.

I was also under the impression that it was one of the fattest, but I've just checked the recent data and this is, apparently, quite wrong. Was anyone else similarly mistaken?
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2023, 12:46:43 AM »

it's funny when people try and say Europe is to the left of the US when sh**t like this happens
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2023, 01:15:39 AM »

Extremely hilarious way to get free boarding and meals.
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2023, 01:15:59 AM »

I was also under the impression that it was one of the fattest, but I've just checked the recent data and this is, apparently, quite wrong. Was anyone else similarly mistaken?

I would have been shocked if it were fat. Mountain walks are good on the legs and lungs.
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2023, 09:49:45 AM »

Was it an accurate description, and would it be a defence if it was?
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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2023, 02:19:48 PM »

Euros: "American politicians are far-right"

Also Euros: "Random person said woman was fat! Off with his head!"
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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2023, 11:05:35 PM »

it's funny when people try and say Europe is to the left of the US when sh**t like this happens
I mean, this is a very left-wing policy right here. "Left" does not mean "good"!
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2023, 11:12:06 PM »

it's funny when people try and say Europe is to the left of the US when sh**t like this happens
I mean, this is a very left-wing policy right here. "Left" does not mean "good"!
it's a very left wing person doing the punishing, but it is not "left" to shut down "mean" speech.  At least not traditionally.  I get that they have embraced the soft in the last few decades, it's why I make fun of them for it.

I suppose my romantic views of the left being the true champions of free speech needs to be finally put to bed as they have clearly ceded that job to someone else.
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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2023, 06:49:52 AM »

But who? If one thing is obvious, it is that the overwhelming majority of right wingers use "FREEZE PEACH!!!" to actually mean "free speech for me, but not for thee".

(similarly, by "silencing" they really mean "being challenged on any bit of nonsense ever")
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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2023, 07:24:59 AM »

But who? If one thing is obvious, it is that the overwhelming majority of right wingers use "FREEZE PEACH!!!" to actually mean "free speech for me, but not for thee".

(similarly, by "silencing" they really mean "being challenged on any bit of nonsense ever")
indeed, both lesser evils are horrible on free speech
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2023, 05:42:51 AM »

Surprising news - Switzerland is one of the least likely countries in Europe to have such a law on the books.

I was also under the impression that it was one of the fattest, but I've just checked the recent data and this is, apparently, quite wrong. Was anyone else similarly mistaken?
Yeah, Switzerland was always one of the most conservative countries in Europe. Look at women's suffrage or even their healthcare system.
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