why the hate towards moms for liberty?

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If you aren't already biased against Moms for Liberty, you aren't going to interpret that as an endorsement of Hitler. I have no doubt if you asked them they would say Hitler was a left-wing socialist.

If the best defense of this organization you can muster up for them is "They think Hitler was a left-wing socialist," that's a pretty damning indictment of them. There are countless writings and speeches available from Hitler that tell exactly what he thought of left-wing socialists. It is impossible to have even a rudimentary understanding of how and why WWII and its leadup happened if someone is under the impression that Hitler and the Nazis were left-wing socialists.

"They're not actually Nazis, they're just really f---ing clueless about history" is a great example of damning with faint praise...

[freepcrusher]

Moms for Liberty, meet John Birch: the roots of US rightwing book bans

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/may/06/moms-for-liberty-john-birch-society-far-right-book-bans

well I'm a huge fan of the book "I hope they serve beer in hell" but it doesn't mean it should be in an elementary school library. If you can still find it on amazon, its not really banned in the traditional sense.

You know you’re being disingenuous here — the books being targeted (in public libraries, not just school libraries) are disproportionately ones that discuss queer people and Black people.

Well I can't claim to speak for them but I feel no one would have a problem with certain kinds of books being in the library, if they were in an area of the library where you had to be "carded" to look at them.

[the artist formerly known as catmusic]

"parental rights" always equals "I want to control every aspect of my children's lives" and then inevitably being bewildered why those kids never speak to them again once they get out.

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Moms for Liberty, meet John Birch: the roots of US rightwing book bans

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/may/06/moms-for-liberty-john-birch-society-far-right-book-bans

well I'm a huge fan of the book "I hope they serve beer in hell" but it doesn't mean it should be in an elementary school library. If you can still find it on amazon, its not really banned in the traditional sense.

You know you’re being disingenuous here — the books being targeted (in public libraries, not just school libraries) are disproportionately ones that discuss queer people and Black people.

Well I can't claim to speak for them but I feel no one would have a problem with certain kinds of books being in the library, if they were in an area of the library where you had to be "carded" to look at them.

Gay people existing shouldn’t require any more “carded” a section than straight people.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Everything I've read about them makes them seem like a garden variety parental rights group. Like is it really a big deal if a controversial topic requires teachers to give kids a permission slip?

[freepcrusher]

Moms for Liberty, meet John Birch: the roots of US rightwing book bans

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/may/06/moms-for-liberty-john-birch-society-far-right-book-bans

well I'm a huge fan of the book "I hope they serve beer in hell" but it doesn't mean it should be in an elementary school library. If you can still find it on amazon, its not really banned in the traditional sense.

You know you’re being disingenuous here — the books being targeted (in public libraries, not just school libraries) are disproportionately ones that discuss queer people and Black people.

Well I can't claim to speak for them but I feel no one would have a problem with certain kinds of books being in the library, if they were in an area of the library where you had to be "carded" to look at them.

Gay people existing shouldn’t require any more “carded” a section than straight people.

what age did you learn about gays? For me it was junior high or high school.

[Horus]

Moms for Liberty, meet John Birch: the roots of US rightwing book bans

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/may/06/moms-for-liberty-john-birch-society-far-right-book-bans

well I'm a huge fan of the book "I hope they serve beer in hell" but it doesn't mean it should be in an elementary school library. If you can still find it on amazon, its not really banned in the traditional sense.

You know you’re being disingenuous here — the books being targeted (in public libraries, not just school libraries) are disproportionately ones that discuss queer people and Black people.

Well I can't claim to speak for them but I feel no one would have a problem with certain kinds of books being in the library, if they were in an area of the library where you had to be "carded" to look at them.

Gay people existing shouldn’t require any more “carded” a section than straight people.

what age did you learn about gays? For me it was junior high or high school.

Do you think it's inappropriate for elementary school aged children to know that gay people exist? Many children are raised by gay couples. Countless more are likely friends with kids who have gay parents.

It's not the 1980s anymore. What do you suggest?

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Moms for Liberty, meet John Birch: the roots of US rightwing book bans

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/may/06/moms-for-liberty-john-birch-society-far-right-book-bans

well I'm a huge fan of the book "I hope they serve beer in hell" but it doesn't mean it should be in an elementary school library. If you can still find it on amazon, its not really banned in the traditional sense.

You know you’re being disingenuous here — the books being targeted (in public libraries, not just school libraries) are disproportionately ones that discuss queer people and Black people.

Well I can't claim to speak for them but I feel no one would have a problem with certain kinds of books being in the library, if they were in an area of the library where you had to be "carded" to look at them.

Gay people existing shouldn’t require any more “carded” a section than straight people.

what age did you learn about gays? For me it was junior high or high school.

I was born in 1986 and knew about gay and trans people by 2nd or 3rd grade just by talking to other kids, either on the bus or at lunch.

My daughter was aware in preschool from talking with other kids. Lots of people have some kind of LGBT family member, so it's really not feasible to shield even a young child from their existence.

[All Along The Watchtower]

sh**tty Parents are increasingly unpopular on the Left.

True.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Are Moms for Liberty actually fighting for accountability for the COVID abuses, or are they just going on about culture war stuff?

[Horus]

Are Moms for Liberty actually fighting for accountability for the COVID abuses, or are they just going on about culture war stuff?

It's almost 100% culture war nonsense now. Really a shame because there are plenty of legitimate bones to pick with COVID policies, but they're now focusing almost completely on trans stuff.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Are Moms for Liberty actually fighting for accountability for the COVID abuses, or are they just going on about culture war stuff?

It's almost 100% culture war nonsense now. Really a shame because there are plenty of legitimate bones to pick with COVID policies, but they're now focusing almost completely on trans stuff.

The bulk of folks here do not support COVID-19 accountability for any group that's part of the activities of 2020 that under the guise of public health, social justice, etc, were designed to make Americans as miserable as possible.

[Crumpets]

Are Moms for Liberty actually fighting for accountability for the COVID abuses, or are they just going on about culture war stuff?

It's almost 100% culture war nonsense now. Really a shame because there are plenty of legitimate bones to pick with COVID policies, but they're now focusing almost completely on trans stuff.

The bulk of folks here do not support COVID-19 accountability for any group that's part of the activities of 2020 that under the guise of public health, social justice, etc, were designed to make Americans as miserable as possible.

Too bad we didn't have a leader in the White House who could have done something about it.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Are Moms for Liberty actually fighting for accountability for the COVID abuses, or are they just going on about culture war stuff?

It's almost 100% culture war nonsense now. Really a shame because there are plenty of legitimate bones to pick with COVID policies, but they're now focusing almost completely on trans stuff.

The bulk of folks here do not support COVID-19 accountability for any group that's part of the activities of 2020 that under the guise of public health, social justice, etc, were designed to make Americans as miserable as possible.

Too bad we didn't have a leader in the White House who could have done something about it.

We certainly don't have one at the present time.

[T'Chenka]

The bulk of folks here do not support COVID-19 accountability for any group that's part of the activities of 2020 that under the guise of public health, social justice, etc, were designed to make Americans as miserable as possible.

I mean, the bulk of conservatives here do not support COVID-19 accountability for Trump's administration and Republican governor administrations, when the more than a quarter of a percentage of Americans died from the virus during the pandemic. Whereas Canada for example lost far less than a quarter of one percent of our population to CoVID-19 deaths during the pandemic.

A million people died Fuzzy, and only a half of them needed to. Where is the accountability for 500,000 dead Americans? That's like 20x to 25x as many unnecessary deaths as September 11 2001 NYC.

I'm so sorry that some of the more hyper-individualist citizens had to be miserable. At least they got to continue staying alive though. Can't say the same for half a million others.

[Badger]

Parents are increasingly unpopular on the Left.

If you truly believe it Mom's for Liberty somehow represents the typical so-called parent, then...(notes author of post).

Oh, of course. Never mind.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

Moms for Liberty, meet John Birch: the roots of US rightwing book bans

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/may/06/moms-for-liberty-john-birch-society-far-right-book-bans

well I'm a huge fan of the book "I hope they serve beer in hell" but it doesn't mean it should be in an elementary school library. If you can still find it on amazon, its not really banned in the traditional sense.

You know you’re being disingenuous here — the books being targeted (in public libraries, not just school libraries) are disproportionately ones that discuss queer people and Black people.

Well I can't claim to speak for them but I feel no one would have a problem with certain kinds of books being in the library, if they were in an area of the library where you had to be "carded" to look at them.

Gay people existing shouldn’t require any more “carded” a section than straight people.

what age did you learn about gays? For me it was junior high or high school.

I learned about gays when I was like 4~5 in 1st grade and earlier by having (obviously innocent, non-sexual) crushes on other boys. Although that wasn't even 'learning about gays' so much as just being a normal kid and human going through normal processes of socialization...