Mexican General Election, June 2, 2024

[kaoras]

> I feel bad for the PRD, it could had become a moderate centre left party for social liberals

I mean, do you have any reason to believe there is any demand for a party like this in Mexico?

There is but is covered by MORENA. I don't know why everyone acts like they are actually socially conservative when they have pushed for abortion rights and Sheinbaum is an outspoken LGBT+ and feminist advocate. As I mentioned even PVEM has gone "woke" to go along with the ride.

The actual space to be covered would be a "anti populist center left" and even that kind of party could have a decent niche if they were not allied with PRI/PAN.

Because in 2018 AMLO's coalition included a Christian conservative party: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Encounter_Party

AMLO is still pretty awful regardless, especially with him bizarrely being one of the most Trump-friendly world leaders in addition to his PRI stylings, and Gálvez actually doesn't sound too bad at all and is barely "center-right". Shame this election is a foregone conclusion.

I get that you don't know anything about Mexican politics outside hating AMLO but I find very funny that you are still up in arms about an empty shell of a party that had no influence whatsoever and no longer even exists but you have no problem supporting PAN, the actual ultra conservative party

https://tribunadequeretaro.com/informacion/aborto-queretaro-se-hunde-en-un-limbo-juridico-por-conservadurismo-del-pan/
https://www.sdpnoticias.com/mexico/pan-quiere-prohibir-la-venta-de-misoprostol-usado-para-el-aborto/
https://aristeguinoticias.com/0305/mexico/pan-bloquea-el-matrimonio-igualitario-en-tamaulipas/

You might notice that the ones pushing for the socially liberal stuff blocked by PAN are... MORENA deputies.

I'm any case, if you like Galves more power to you, because not even PAN own voters like her.

Gálvez is pro-choice, pro-LGBT, pro-marijuana legalization and generally pro-social welfare, definitely not as conservative as the rest of the PAN (is that why their voters don't like her? Makes sense.) Also in 2021 PAN's coalition partner included the PRD, more like supporting Gálvez who is not like those conservative PAN deputies and actually part of a broad coalition.

And not sure why one would be surprised over me hating AMLO considering how much of a Trump lover he is.

Oh, is she now? I missed the latest u turn then.

PAN voters don't like her because they think she is not a capable alternative to MORENA. There is also the fact that "MORENA is becoming just like the PRI, that's why you should vote for the PRI" (as part of her """broad""" coalition) isn't that good of an electoral message, which is why MC is having a late surge.

[kaoras]

Scheinbaum will not only be Mexico's first woman president but also its first Jewish president. Has that been an issue at all? Has she had to weigh in at all on the Gaza situation?

She hasn't talked much about that topic, just saying vanilla stuff about condemning violence against civilians. I've seen some nasty anti-semitic memes from PAN supporters but it doesn't appear to be a salient topic.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

> I feel bad for the PRD, it could had become a moderate centre left party for social liberals

I mean, do you have any reason to believe there is any demand for a party like this in Mexico?

There is but is covered by MORENA. I don't know why everyone acts like they are actually socially conservative when they have pushed for abortion rights and Sheinbaum is an outspoken LGBT+ and feminist advocate. As I mentioned even PVEM has gone "woke" to go along with the ride.

The actual space to be covered would be a "anti populist center left" and even that kind of party could have a decent niche if they were not allied with PRI/PAN.

Because in 2018 AMLO's coalition included a Christian conservative party: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Encounter_Party

AMLO is still pretty awful regardless, especially with him bizarrely being one of the most Trump-friendly world leaders in addition to his PRI stylings, and Gálvez actually doesn't sound too bad at all and is barely "center-right". Shame this election is a foregone conclusion.

I get that you don't know anything about Mexican politics outside hating AMLO but I find very funny that you are still up in arms about an empty shell of a party that had no influence whatsoever and no longer even exists but you have no problem supporting PAN, the actual ultra conservative party

https://tribunadequeretaro.com/informacion/aborto-queretaro-se-hunde-en-un-limbo-juridico-por-conservadurismo-del-pan/
https://www.sdpnoticias.com/mexico/pan-quiere-prohibir-la-venta-de-misoprostol-usado-para-el-aborto/
https://aristeguinoticias.com/0305/mexico/pan-bloquea-el-matrimonio-igualitario-en-tamaulipas/

You might notice that the ones pushing for the socially liberal stuff blocked by PAN are... MORENA deputies.

I'm any case, if you like Galves more power to you, because not even PAN own voters like her.

Gálvez is pro-choice, pro-LGBT, pro-marijuana legalization and generally pro-social welfare, definitely not as conservative as the rest of the PAN (is that why their voters don't like her? Makes sense.) Also in 2021 PAN's coalition partner included the PRD, more like supporting Gálvez who is not like those conservative PAN deputies and actually part of a broad coalition.

And not sure why one would be surprised over me hating AMLO considering how much of a Trump lover he is.

Oh, is she now? I missed the latest u-turn then.

PAN voters don't like her because they think she is not a capable alternative to MORENA. There is also the fact that "MORENA is becoming just like the PRI, that's why you should vote for the PRI" (as part of her """broad""" coalition) isn't that good of an electoral message, which is why MC is having a late surge.

The English translation of that statement isn't particularly great but also isn't much different from something that Biden would've said while he was VP. She still seems like someone who would definitely be a Democrat in the US, even if on the more centrist wing.

[DK_Mo82]

Did AMLO "re create" or "rebuild" the PRI system or is that just a thing ppl say in the internet?
 Idk much about the situation, I remember him winning Mexico City mayorality at year 2000 as PRD, and then he acted like Trump did after the 2006 election, people called him petrosocialist he got painted with same brush, as other Latin american leaders at that era, like Chavez, Morales, Lula, idk how accurate that is with time.

[kaoras]

Did AMLO "re create" or "rebuild" the PRI system or is that just a thing ppl say in the internet?
 Idk much about the situation, I remember him winning Mexico City mayorality at year 2000 as PRD, and then he acted like Trump did after the 2006 election, people called him petrosocialist he got painted with same brush, as other Latin american leaders at that era, like Chavez, Morales, Lula, idk how accurate that is with time.

MORENA is nowhere close to recreate the "perfect dictatorship" of the old PRI. It is true, however, that it has absorbed many of the PRI machines and most of their voterbarse, and there are genuine concerns about the use and abuse of clientelism. But the latter is really no different from what literally every other Mexican party does (including what PAN did during its 12 year rule) and the accusations you can find on the internet saying that MORENA is Mexican MAGA and that they are going to end democracy are objectively deranged.

At the end of the day, Mexican politics are what they are and while it is disappointing that MORENA ended up the same as any other party but with a "populist left" coat, they are electorally dominant because they are genuinely popular with the population, not because of antidemocratic machinations or whatever.

[TheReckoning]

Which party is more anti-cartel?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yeah, I don't love MORENA but it's incumbent on its opponents to propose something better, and so far they've failed quite miserably.

[First1There]

It's horrible that Mexico gets an election discussion thread of only 5 pages up to election day. They are America's most populated and economically integrated neighbor.

They are critical to US policy goals and almost no discussion.

[wnwnwn]

It's horrible that Mexico gets an election discussion thread of only 5 pages up to election day. They are America's most populated and economically integrated neighbor.

They are critical to US policy goals and almost no discussion.

Clear favorite, lame candidates, lack of interesting third parties (Movimiento Ciudadano is the typical latino oportunist party with no clear principles).
PAN's base is way more social conservative than Galvez, but PAN is basically social conservative hardliners + the upper / upper middle class in general.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

It's horrible that Mexico gets an election discussion thread of only 5 pages up to election day. They are America's most populated and economically integrated neighbor.

They are critical to US policy goals and almost no discussion.

tbf we already know who's going to win

[Antonio the Sixth]

We could use more discussion of Sheinbaum's campaign and any signs for the ways in which she is or isn't going to govern like AMLO. But yeah, this isn't a particularly exciting election for sure.

Kinda sad that this week we're having probably the most people voting in a reasonably free and fair election in a single week (Mexico+India+EU) and none of these elections are shaping up to be particularly interesting.