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« on: June 01, 2023, 03:30:09 PM »

https://thehill.com/homenews/lgbtq/4030298-most-americans-say-companies-should-voice-public-support-for-lgbtq-community-survey/

91% of heterosexual Americans believe LGBT people should live free of discrimination. Over 70% said they do not feel uncomfortable with representations of LGBT people in ads. 84% said they support equal rights for the LGBT community, the highest number recorded yet.

However, a small majority said they believe non binary folks are "still figuring out who they are."
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2023, 04:08:18 PM »
« Edited: June 01, 2023, 04:15:23 PM by LostInOhio »

The gay rights movement was quite possibly the most successful progressive movement in American history. I can’t think of any other movement that has achieved its goals so quickly and absolutely aside from maybe the Civil Rights movement. While there’s still some work to do it is very impressive.  Even the difference in public perception and polling of gay people between now and just 20 years ago is insane.
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2023, 04:33:19 PM »

The gay rights movement was quite possibly the most successful progressive movement in American history. I can’t think of any other movement that has achieved its goals so quickly and absolutely aside from maybe the Civil Rights movement. While there’s still some work to do it is very impressive.  Even the difference in public perception and polling of gay people between now and just 20 years ago is insane.
The big question is…how?
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2023, 04:37:41 PM »

The gay rights movement was quite possibly the most successful progressive movement in American history. I can’t think of any other movement that has achieved its goals so quickly and absolutely aside from maybe the Civil Rights movement. While there’s still some work to do it is very impressive.  Even the difference in public perception and polling of gay people between now and just 20 years ago is insane.
The big question is…how?

I think a part of it has to do with the amount of celebrities that came out in the 00s & 2010s, which in turn encouraged ordinary everyday people to come out as well. It was like a ripple effect. People soon realized that gay and lesbian individuals weren’t so strange and alien after all, but were our neighbors and brothers and sisters and even best friends.
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2023, 05:00:54 PM »

The gay rights movement was quite possibly the most successful progressive movement in American history. I can’t think of any other movement that has achieved its goals so quickly and absolutely aside from maybe the Civil Rights movement. While there’s still some work to do it is very impressive.  Even the difference in public perception and polling of gay people between now and just 20 years ago is insane.
The big question is…how?

I think a part of it has to do with the amount of celebrities that came out in the 00s & 2010s, which in turn encouraged ordinary everyday people to come out as well. It was like a ripple effect. People soon realized that gay and lesbian individuals weren’t so strange and alien after all, but were our neighbors and brothers and sisters and even best friends.

For my generation, it seems like gay, and to a lesser degree trans people are widely seen as just natural permutations of people to be treated equally, even amongst my peers who hold much more conservative beliefs. Being gay or trans is not only accepted, but not a huge deal, and doesn't have to be the only defining aspect of one's identity.

I think another factor is unlike race or socio-economic status, everyone more or less has an equal chance of being exposed to all types of LGBTQ people, so people are very likely to have a family member or something that is gay, whereas a white person likely doesn't have a family member who is black. You also tend to be exposed mostly to people of simillar economic class.
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2023, 05:54:20 PM »

The gay rights movement was quite possibly the most successful progressive movement in American history. I can’t think of any other movement that has achieved its goals so quickly and absolutely aside from maybe the Civil Rights movement. While there’s still some work to do it is very impressive.  Even the difference in public perception and polling of gay people between now and just 20 years ago is insane.
The big question is…how?


By selling out.  The ideology of the early gay rights movement (pre-Stonewall) is one of activism and liberation.  It asked what a "better" society for gay people might look like: where gender is an outmoded concept, kinship a function of community, sex and love parsed out, etc. 

By the 1980s, gay liberation ideology was replaced with "equality" ideology.  It became about access to institutions rather than the transformation of them.  Activists became lobbyists whose top aims were gaining the right to marry and serve in the military (see, doesn't this sound very conservative? LOL)

To win the marriage victory, gay lobbyists had to assert two claims:  that homosexuality is immutable and gays are not sexual outlaws.  Maybe the cost of these arguments was too high, as it preempts a real conversation about sexual fluidity, variation and possibility and forfeits the real power of being queer. 

Understood this way, polls showing >90% support for gay people seem shallow and uncertain.  We're at this point thanks to "un-queering" ourselves. 
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2023, 06:02:53 PM »

The gay rights movement was quite possibly the most successful progressive movement in American history. I can’t think of any other movement that has achieved its goals so quickly and absolutely aside from maybe the Civil Rights movement. While there’s still some work to do it is very impressive.  Even the difference in public perception and polling of gay people between now and just 20 years ago is insane.
The big question is…how?


By selling out.  The ideology of the early gay rights movement (pre-Stonewall) is one of activism and liberation.  It asked what a "better" society for gay people might look like: where gender is an outmoded concept, kinship a function of community, sex and love parsed out, etc.  

By the 1980s, gay liberation ideology was replaced with "equality" ideology.  It became about access to institutions rather than the transformation of them.  Activists became lobbyists whose top aims were gaining the right to marry and serve in the military (see, doesn't this sound very conservative? LOL)

To win the marriage victory, gay lobbyists had to assert two claims:  that homosexuality is immutable and gays are not sexual outlaws.  Maybe the cost of these arguments was too high, as it preempts a real conversation about sexual fluidity, variation and possibility and forfeits the real power of being queer.  

Understood this way, polls showing >90% support for gay people seem shallow and uncertain.  We're at this point thanks to "un-queering" ourselves.  

I’m not sure why being gay necessarily means one has to be some queer liberation leftist. I see no reason why a gay person can’t believe in lower taxes, gun rights, stricter immigration laws etc. or indeed want to live a quiet life where they get a 9-5 and settle down.
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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2023, 06:58:32 PM »

Every time someone comes out, that sends a tiny ripple through the society.  Coming out is the single most powerful thing any person can do because it ends the silence.  I struggle to this day with being closeted in many ways around many people, but thankfully the movement doesn't depend on me - it's got much stronger, more courageous people.

I'm not an activist, I haven't done a single thing for the Rainbow cause except one: I've talked to many many people over the years (those I felt comfortable with) about being trans and what that felt like, and I hope that my lived experience could be used by others to promote a better understanding of trans people in this society.
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2023, 07:29:22 PM »

Which is why Republicans taking an extremely far right position on LGBT rights will cost them at the ballot box. Lots of suburbanites are pro-LGBT or at least have no negativity toward the community, so the demonization of the LGBT doesn't play way amongst the voters who actually swing elections.
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2023, 07:31:15 PM »

The gay rights movement was quite possibly the most successful progressive movement in American history. I can’t think of any other movement that has achieved its goals so quickly and absolutely aside from maybe the Civil Rights movement. While there’s still some work to do it is very impressive.  Even the difference in public perception and polling of gay people between now and just 20 years ago is insane.
The big question is…how?

Unironically, a big part of it is shows like Will & Grace and Modern Family.
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2023, 09:20:06 AM »

The gay rights movement was quite possibly the most successful progressive movement in American history. I can’t think of any other movement that has achieved its goals so quickly and absolutely aside from maybe the Civil Rights movement. While there’s still some work to do it is very impressive.  Even the difference in public perception and polling of gay people between now and just 20 years ago is insane.
The big question is…how?

I think a part of it has to do with the amount of celebrities that came out in the 00s & 2010s, which in turn encouraged ordinary everyday people to come out as well. It was like a ripple effect. People soon realized that gay and lesbian individuals weren’t so strange and alien after all, but were our neighbors and brothers and sisters and even best friends.

For my generation, it seems like gay, and to a lesser degree trans people are widely seen as just natural permutations of people to be treated equally, even amongst my peers who hold much more conservative beliefs. Being gay or trans is not only accepted, but not a huge deal, and doesn't have to be the only defining aspect of one's identity.

I think another factor is unlike race or socio-economic status, everyone more or less has an equal chance of being exposed to all types of LGBTQ people, so people are very likely to have a family member or something that is gay, whereas a white person likely doesn't have a family member who is black. You also tend to be exposed mostly to people of simillar economic class.
Eh, there is still a lot of homophobia (and more transphobia) in our generation. Maybe its because I live in a far more conservative place than you; but there is still plenty of transphobia/homophobia and if someone came out here as trans or gay; then they'd be seen as the "trans" or "gay" person.
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2023, 09:32:33 AM »

That's nice. The Supreme Court doesn't care.
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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2023, 10:27:40 AM »

That's nice. The Supreme Court doesn't care.

Ssm is federally codified.
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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2023, 10:28:09 AM »

That's nice. The Supreme Court doesn't care.

Ssm is federally codified.

And how is that supposed to stop them?
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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2023, 10:28:24 AM »

That's nice. The Supreme Court doesn't care.

Ssm is federally codified.

And how is that supposed to stop them?

Are you really this stupid?
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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2023, 10:29:36 AM »
« Edited: June 03, 2023, 10:37:16 AM by ProgressiveModerate »

The gay rights movement was quite possibly the most successful progressive movement in American history. I can’t think of any other movement that has achieved its goals so quickly and absolutely aside from maybe the Civil Rights movement. While there’s still some work to do it is very impressive.  Even the difference in public perception and polling of gay people between now and just 20 years ago is insane.
The big question is…how?

I think a part of it has to do with the amount of celebrities that came out in the 00s & 2010s, which in turn encouraged ordinary everyday people to come out as well. It was like a ripple effect. People soon realized that gay and lesbian individuals weren’t so strange and alien after all, but were our neighbors and brothers and sisters and even best friends.

For my generation, it seems like gay, and to a lesser degree trans people are widely seen as just natural permutations of people to be treated equally, even amongst my peers who hold much more conservative beliefs. Being gay or trans is not only accepted, but not a huge deal, and doesn't have to be the only defining aspect of one's identity.

I think another factor is unlike race or socio-economic status, everyone more or less has an equal chance of being exposed to all types of LGBTQ people, so people are very likely to have a family member or something that is gay, whereas a white person likely doesn't have a family member who is black. You also tend to be exposed mostly to people of simillar economic class.
Eh, there is still a lot of homophobia (and more transphobia) in our generation. Maybe its because I live in a far more conservative place than you; but there is still plenty of transphobia/homophobia and if someone came out here as trans or gay; then they'd be seen as the "trans" or "gay" person.

That’s interesting. In NYC no one really cares and I wonder if that’s just because the lgbtq community is big enough to begin with - I could imagine in communities with smaller lgbtq communities that generally value homogeneity and conformity, it’s more of an othering trait.

The only “homophobia” I really see on a frequent basis is lgbtq people being the brunt of some light hearted sexually explicit joke (i.e. a lot of straight guys joke about being gay with their friends). However, I don’t think this is usually in an intentionally homophobic way; often I see lgbtq people participating in these types of jokes themselves. But from what I’ve seen, the lgbtq community isn’t ostracized from basically any sub-communities within my school on the pure basis on them being lgbtq.

However you get things like a more feminine presenting gay guy is prolly not going to be part of the football clique, or a more masculine presenting lesbian isn’t going to be accepted into one of those girly-girl cliques. That’s not really homophobia though, just how social groups often work. Lgbtq people often have their own friend groups where a straight person would have trouble joining because they lack the context of shared commonality.
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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2023, 11:18:41 AM »

I wonder how this would change if you separate the LGB and the T. Because there seems to be a divide there.
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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2023, 11:28:38 AM »

This is why the far-right seems to unhinged on the issue right now. They know they're losing and the last card they have is to make people too scared to express support.
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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2023, 01:16:01 PM »

The gay rights movement was quite possibly the most successful progressive movement in American history. I can’t think of any other movement that has achieved its goals so quickly and absolutely aside from maybe the Civil Rights movement. While there’s still some work to do it is very impressive.  Even the difference in public perception and polling of gay people between now and just 20 years ago is insane.
The big question is…how?


By selling out.  The ideology of the early gay rights movement (pre-Stonewall) is one of activism and liberation.  It asked what a "better" society for gay people might look like: where gender is an outmoded concept, kinship a function of community, sex and love parsed out, etc.  

By the 1980s, gay liberation ideology was replaced with "equality" ideology.  It became about access to institutions rather than the transformation of them.  Activists became lobbyists whose top aims were gaining the right to marry and serve in the military (see, doesn't this sound very conservative? LOL)

To win the marriage victory, gay lobbyists had to assert two claims:  that homosexuality is immutable and gays are not sexual outlaws.  Maybe the cost of these arguments was too high, as it preempts a real conversation about sexual fluidity, variation and possibility and forfeits the real power of being queer.  

Understood this way, polls showing >90% support for gay people seem shallow and uncertain.  We're at this point thanks to "un-queering" ourselves.  

I’m not sure why being gay necessarily means one has to be some queer liberation leftist. I see no reason why a gay person can’t believe in lower taxes, gun rights, stricter immigration laws etc. or indeed want to live a quiet life where they get a 9-5 and settle down.
As an LGBT person, I'm no conservative but I'm no radical leftist either. Some people on the far left act like they're entitled to my support and I can't stand that. There also seems to be this debate among certain members of the community about "liberation vs assimilation" which I see as a false dichotomy. To me, being accepted by greater society and its institutions is the truest form a liberation, and it is not necessary to give up our unique expression to do so as some seem to believe. In a sense, there can be no liberation without a degree assimilation.
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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2023, 02:41:33 PM »

LGBT has been normalized. However, a lot of people feel there is a overkill with the Pride stuff. I'm just telling you what people tell me. They say, Good for you, no need to push it around.
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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2023, 02:59:14 PM »

LGBT has been normalized. However, a lot of people feel there is a overkill with the Pride stuff. I'm just telling you what people tell me. They say, Good for you, no need to push it around.

I can actually confirm this, though personal anecdotes don't always show the real picture among the general public.

I'm fine with pride campaigns, though it's annoying when certain corporations do that in the US or Central Europe where gay rights are supported by a majority while doing business with countries that have barbaric conditions for the LGBT community or even punish homosexuality with death or life sentences.
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