The Second Commandment Republicans

[Deano963]

Where in the world you got the idea that he is against repentance (like that would even matter in the first place) b/c of that is beyond me, as I'm not quite sure what the hell music classes and repentance have to do with one another.

2) If Huckabee preaches repentance, what exactly did he mean by saying, “I am a ‘Grace’ Christian, not a ‘law’ Christian?”  Was he juxtaposing Grace and opposition to public spending on arts and music?  Was he juxtaposing himself with other Christians who preach repentance?

Yes and no. He was juxtaposing himself with other Christians who only preach repentance. I don't know how many times you need to be told this.

Jesus replied that "Love God" and "Love your neighbor" were the first and second most important commandments and that the entire Law could be summarized as such. I know you know all of this, so I don't understand why you kept begging for an explanation.

What Tik said.

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2) The silliness about public funding for the arts aside, I think it's relatively clear what the difference between 'grace' and 'law' Christians is. A 'law' Christian focuses a lot on the Law, the Pentateuch. Obey the Ten Commandments or face Hell, that sort of thing. 'Grace' Christians are bigger fans of the gospels and the letters, where it says that Christ fulfilled the Law, thus we were no longer cursed by being imperfect under it. Instead of the Ten Commandments they like to focus on when Jesus was tested by the Pharisees, who asked him what the greatest commandment was (out of the Law, obviously). Jesus replied that "Love God" and "Love your neighbor" were the first and second most important commandments and that the entire Law could be summarized as such. I know you know all of this, so I don't understand why you kept begging for an explanation.

Christian sects that focus on the Law of Moses are very few and far between.  One of the biggest ones to come along in last century was The WorldWide Church of God founded by Herbert Armstrong, and it had less than 400k member worldwide at its peak.  Since '94, they have reformed and have moved  away from observance of the Jewish holy days and unclean foods.

...so that is NOT what Huckabee was referring to.  It sounded like Huckabee is like Joel Olsteen - a preacher who simply refuses to preach against sin and instead focuses entirely on Grace, as if Grace can be entered into without repentance.

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He was juxtaposing himself with other Christians who only preach repentance. I don't know how many times you need to be told this.

and the names of just a few Christians who only preach repentance would be....?

trust me, Huckabee was referring to preaching against sin

[opebo]

Huckabee is a crazy religious, obviously, but just as obviously all the crazy religious are going to vote for the Republican anyway.  SO, the interesting question is this - is his phoney populism going to win any votes from the dumb working classes who aren't quite so focused on their crazy religion.

I think it could.

[Deano963]

He was juxtaposing himself with other Christians who only preach repentance. I don't know how many times you need to be told this.

trust me, Huckabee was referring to preaching against sin

Forgive me if I don't trust you, b/c that is obviously not[ what he was saying.

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Forgive me if I don't trust you, b/c that is obviously not[ what he was saying.

then name specific examples of whom he was referring to.

[Deano963]

Forgive me if I don't trust you, b/c that is obviously not[ what he was saying.

then name specific examples of whom he was referring to.

Jerry Falwell, James dobson, Pat Robertson, Pat Buchanan and Gary Bauer.

[StateBoiler]

Huckabee isn't really a Republican if you ask me.  He's a Blue Dog.  Even John Stewart thinks he's a liberal.  It wouldn't surprise me if Huckabee went independent should Guliani become the GOP nominee.

He's clearly not megaconservative on health care, but other than that, how is he not a Republican?

He also takes left leaning positions on the environment and has said that he would support funding the arts on a federal level.

Well, on the funding the arts on a federal level, he's probably less liberal than George W. Bush, who overwhelmingly expanding funding the arts on a federal level.

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Forgive me if I don't trust you, b/c that is obviously not[ what he was saying.

then name specific examples of whom he was referring to.

Jerry Falwell, James dobson, Pat Robertson, Pat Buchanan and Gary Bauer.

Let's me think out loud so that I get your story straight in my mind:

You are saying that these four believe the Law of Moses has authority over Christians today and therefore, they are considered by Huckabee to be "law Christians" and not "grace Christians”?

Is that what you are saying?

[GOP = Terrorists]

I'm just glad that GOPers are hating on Huckabee cause he is BY FAR their strongest and most conservative candidate.  But although he is radically conservative he also seems to be an honest guy and that is suicide within the GOP.

[memphis]

Forgive me if I don't trust you, b/c that is obviously not[ what he was saying.

then name specific examples of whom he was referring to.

Jerry Falwell, James dobson, Pat Robertson, Pat Buchanan and Gary Bauer.

You are saying that these four believe the Law of Moses has authority over Christians today?

If it fits their objectives They're certainly big fans of Leviticus 18:22.  Chapter 15, probably not so much.

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You are saying that these four believe the Law of Moses has authority over Christians today?

If it fits their objectives They're certainly big fans of Leviticus 18:22.  Chapter 15, probably not so much.

So, basically, you’re saying you're ignorant of what is taught in the bible.  And since it's obvious I have to explain this subject once again, please pay attention this time:

Point 1) Thousands of years prior to the writing of Leviticus 18:22, God established the context of sex as between a man and a woman in marriage (see Genesis 4:1).

Point 2) That context was upheld from the Garden to the time of Moses.

Point 3) The Law of Moses continued to uphold the context of sex as between a man and a woman in marriage.

Point 4) The New Testament, which supersedes the Old Testament, upholds the context of sex as between a man and a woman in marriage.

Point 5) Jesus upheld the context of sex as being between a man and a woman in marriage.

Point 6) The New Testament gives a very simple recipe to avoid sexual immorality: celibacy or sex within the context of marriage to someone of the opposite sex.

Point 7 )  The concept of that context is so easily understandable, Jesus didn’t even enumerate sexual acts outside of that context, rather he simply referred to sexual acts outside of that context as “sexual immorality”.
   
Point 8 ) The bible, from Old Testament to New Testament, has always considered any sex outside of that context to be a sin.

Point 9) The bible states that those involved in sexual immorality are in an unsaved position with God.

Point 10)  The bible never presents sex outside of the context of a man and a woman in marriage in a positive light.  Not once.  Every time sex is mentioned in the bible outside of that context, it is in a negative connotation.

So, if this simple observation defines one as a “law Christian”, then so be it, for use of that label only reflects the ignorance of the one using it.

[opebo]

Why would anyone pay attention to that crap?