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« on: March 04, 2007, 01:18:21 PM »
Were there any Northern Dems against slavery?
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2007, 06:15:36 PM »
Of course (if were talking about the at-the-time mainstream anti-slavery position of limiting slavery to where it already existed).  Many became Republicans as that party emerged.
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2007, 06:17:52 PM »
Hannibal Hamlin is an example... He was a Democrat who became a Republican.
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2007, 06:36:37 PM »
Was there any Dems who stayed Dems and didn't switch to Reps?
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2007, 07:02:58 PM »
Grover Cleveland comes to mind, although he was a young man at the time.
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2007, 07:27:24 PM »
Quote from: The Doctor Of Cynicisim on March 04, 2007, 07:02:58 PM
Grover Cleveland comes to mind, although he was a young man at the time.

o.  was Cleveland for black rights?  Also, all of the Democrats that were against slavery didn't switch to Republican did they?
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2007, 07:29:11 PM »
« Edited: March 05, 2007, 07:31:12 PM by jfern »
Plenty. Horace Greeley, Samuel Tilden, among others.
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2007, 07:51:31 PM »
idk that Samuel Tilden was against slavery.
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2007, 12:32:20 PM »
Most northern Dems were actually against slavery. Tilden was against it, per some of his writings.
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2007, 09:02:13 AM »
Quote from: The Doctor Of Cynicisim on March 07, 2007, 12:32:20 PM
Most northern Dems were actually against slavery. Tilden was against it, per some of his writings.

If most Northern Dems were against it then did that bother the Southerners in the Party?
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2007, 03:43:03 PM »
Clearly by 1860 they weren't getting along.
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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2007, 05:23:58 PM »

Greeley was a Republican. In 1872 he was originally the candidate of the Liberal Republican Party which was a breakaway party formed by those who were unhappy with the Radical Republicans in the national leadership. Greeley was then also endorsed by the Democratic Party, thinking that a merger of the Republican dissidents with remaining Democratic voters would lead to a better showing. Of course this really did not happen but Greeley was a Republican up until the 1872 election.
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2007, 08:40:45 PM »
« Edited: March 08, 2007, 08:57:40 PM by memphis »
Quote from: The Doctor Of Cynicisim on March 07, 2007, 12:32:20 PM
Most northern Dems were actually against slavery. Tilden was against it, per some of his writings.

They may have disapproved of it, but they did not support abolitionism, which nearly everybody assumed would lead to a race war. Colonization (moving blacks back to Africa) and free soil (no new slave territories/states) were the most mainstream anti-slavery positions before the Civil War.
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2007, 10:49:11 PM »
Alot of Republicans didn't support abolitionisim either...
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2007, 05:17:57 PM »
Quote from: The Lonely Cynic on March 08, 2007, 10:49:11 PM
Alot of Republicans didn't support abolitionisim either...

Yes.

Some did, but only for the concern for the souls of slave traders. Not Black people.
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« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2007, 05:46:04 PM »
There really wasn't much room between Douglas and Lincoln on what they felt on the issue, probably, just on what they thought achievable.
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