Sen. J. D. Vance exploring legislation to make childbirth free

[jojoju1998]

This is a great idea! I hope that this actually develops and then actual legislation is passed.

You want to know an even better idea? Single-payer universal health care

Ironically, if it's ever going to happen, it will happen under the guise of family values.


Also; not every country has single payer.....

[jojoju1998]

Very good man! Let the women have more kids, 6 weeks maternity leave when (never NEVER for men though)?

Maternity leave should be extended. Although I support paternity leave too. Childcare and many costs involved with raising a child also should be funded by the state, we're heading for a serious population crisis otherwise.

Paternity leave is way less important or even relevant, maternity leave is what we should focus on! Maybe have it be like 12 weeks? I don't know what the best suggested time is...

The party of 'family values' my friends! Cause Lord knows that a MAN's contribution to society is far more needed at his 9-5 corporate job for those couple of weeks than forming early-childhood attachments with his children and/or assisting his recovering wife!

Obviously a "fine" proposal, but considering I support single-payer that should be obvious. ALL medical care should be free at the point of service.

It's better for the child to have 12 weeks maternity leave rather 6-6 M-P leave

That's a false dichotomy by any stretch of the measure, you realize that most OECD and 1st world countries do both right?

And 12 weeks is the bare minimum.

[Vice President Christian Man]

Very good man! Let the women have more kids, 6 weeks maternity leave when (never NEVER for men though)?

Maternity leave should be extended. Although I support paternity leave too. Childcare and many costs involved with raising a child also should be funded by the state, we're heading for a serious population crisis otherwise.

Paternity leave is way less important or even relevant, maternity leave is what we should focus on! Maybe have it be like 12 weeks? I don't know what the best suggested time is...

The party of 'family values' my friends! Cause Lord knows that a MAN's contribution to society is far more needed at his 9-5 corporate job for those couple of weeks than forming early-childhood attachments with his children and/or assisting his recovering wife!

Obviously a "fine" proposal, but considering I support single-payer that should be obvious. ALL medical care should be free at the point of service.

It's better for the child to have 12 weeks maternity leave rather 6-6 M-P leave

That's a false dichotomy by any stretch of the measure, you realize that most OECD and 1st world countries do both right?

And 12 weeks is the bare minimum.

The one thing the overturning of Roe should’ve done is shift the GOP from being pro-life to being pro-family and I’m glad that a few senators are taking that initiative (although ideally they should’ve been pro-family from the get go). I’d add that I think this is a natural projection from Reagan’s “family values” but the GOP got distracted by trickle down economics for a few decades.

[jojoju1998]

Very good man! Let the women have more kids, 6 weeks maternity leave when (never NEVER for men though)?

Maternity leave should be extended. Although I support paternity leave too. Childcare and many costs involved with raising a child also should be funded by the state, we're heading for a serious population crisis otherwise.

Paternity leave is way less important or even relevant, maternity leave is what we should focus on! Maybe have it be like 12 weeks? I don't know what the best suggested time is...

The party of 'family values' my friends! Cause Lord knows that a MAN's contribution to society is far more needed at his 9-5 corporate job for those couple of weeks than forming early-childhood attachments with his children and/or assisting his recovering wife!

Obviously a "fine" proposal, but considering I support single-payer that should be obvious. ALL medical care should be free at the point of service.

It's better for the child to have 12 weeks maternity leave rather 6-6 M-P leave

That's a false dichotomy by any stretch of the measure, you realize that most OECD and 1st world countries do both right?

And 12 weeks is the bare minimum.

The one thing the overturning of Roe should’ve done is shift the GOP from being pro-life to being pro-family and I’m glad that a few senators are taking that initiative (although ideally they should’ve been pro-family from the get go).

There should be at least 20 weeks paid family/medical leave regardless of gender. At 100 percent pay.

[Horus]

Fatherhood is just as important as motherhood.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Very good man! Let the women have more kids, 6 weeks maternity leave when (never NEVER for men though)?

Maternity leave should be extended. Although I support paternity leave too. Childcare and many costs involved with raising a child also should be funded by the state, we're heading for a serious population crisis otherwise.

Paternity leave is way less important or even relevant, maternity leave is what we should focus on! Maybe have it be like 12 weeks? I don't know what the best suggested time is...

The party of 'family values' my friends! Cause Lord knows that a MAN's contribution to society is far more needed at his 9-5 corporate job for those couple of weeks than forming early-childhood attachments with his children and/or assisting his recovering wife!

Obviously a "fine" proposal, but considering I support single-payer that should be obvious. ALL medical care should be free at the point of service.

It's better for the child to have 12 weeks maternity leave rather 6-6 M-P leave

I'm going to take a somewhat different tack from the other posters criticizing you for this position and say that, while I kind of understand where you're coming from here, 1. this doesn't need to be either-or and 2. there are, whether one likes it or not, enough different family setups in this country these days that "twelve weeks for one parent" should be gender-neutral anyway if it's going to help as many kids as possible.

[Skill and Chance]

Very good man! Let the women have more kids, 6 weeks maternity leave when (never NEVER for men though)?

Maternity leave should be extended. Although I support paternity leave too. Childcare and many costs involved with raising a child also should be funded by the state, we're heading for a serious population crisis otherwise.

Paternity leave is way less important or even relevant, maternity leave is what we should focus on! Maybe have it be like 12 weeks? I don't know what the best suggested time is...

The party of 'family values' my friends! Cause Lord knows that a MAN's contribution to society is far more needed at his 9-5 corporate job for those couple of weeks than forming early-childhood attachments with his children and/or assisting his recovering wife!

Obviously a "fine" proposal, but considering I support single-payer that should be obvious. ALL medical care should be free at the point of service.

It's better for the child to have 12 weeks maternity leave rather 6-6 M-P leave

That's a false dichotomy by any stretch of the measure, you realize that most OECD and 1st world countries do both right?

And 12 weeks is the bare minimum.

Best to get on board with a 6 week proposal that can be expanded over time.  Baby steps. 

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I'll be shocked if this picks up anywhere near enough Republican votes to pass, but if Democrats can work this out on a strategic/psychological basis and get it to Biden's desk, I'll walk back a lot of dismissive things I've said about Vance.

Why?  He's still an outright psychopath who things women should have to stay in abusive marriages, is actively working toward the wide-scale destruction of American democracy, is awful on most issues (and doesn't even come by his awful views honestly).  Vance is the personification of everything wrong with the Trump era Republican establishment.  He's a fundamentally evil, selfish human being with virtually no redeeming features.

[Skill and Chance]

Very good man! Let the women have more kids, 6 weeks maternity leave when (never NEVER for men though)?

Maternity leave should be extended. Although I support paternity leave too. Childcare and many costs involved with raising a child also should be funded by the state, we're heading for a serious population crisis otherwise.

Paternity leave is way less important or even relevant, maternity leave is what we should focus on! Maybe have it be like 12 weeks? I don't know what the best suggested time is...

The party of 'family values' my friends! Cause Lord knows that a MAN's contribution to society is far more needed at his 9-5 corporate job for those couple of weeks than forming early-childhood attachments with his children and/or assisting his recovering wife!

Obviously a "fine" proposal, but considering I support single-payer that should be obvious. ALL medical care should be free at the point of service.

It's better for the child to have 12 weeks maternity leave rather 6-6 M-P leave

I'm going to take a somewhat different tack from the other posters criticizing you for this position and say that, while I kind of understand where you're coming from here, 1. this doesn't need to be either-or and 2. there are, whether one likes it or not, enough different family setups in this country these days that "twelve weeks for one parent" should be gender-neutral anyway if it's going to help as many kids as possible.

Most people, if they had to choose between maternity or paternity leave would pick maternity leave, but that doesn't mean they aren't both desirable.  

In the US context with equal protection applying to sex distinctions, wouldn't it be unconstitutional to have a female-only leave program anyway?  You could say the current SCOTUS just wouldn't care, but Kavanaugh recently indicated he thinks male-only military conscription is unconstitutional, and he's the swing vote.  

[Ferguson97]

Paternity leave is way less important or even relevant, maternity leave is what we should focus on! Maybe have it be like 12 weeks? I don't know what the best suggested time is...

It's enormously stupid to act as if we have to make a choice between those two things. There's literally no reason why we can't do both.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Personally I think each parent should have a minimum of six weeks parental leave and then an additional 20 or so weeks they can split amongst themselves however they like.

[Mr. Smith]

Very good man! Let the women have more kids, 6 weeks maternity leave when (never NEVER for men though)?

Maternity leave should be extended. Although I support paternity leave too. Childcare and many costs involved with raising a child also should be funded by the state, we're heading for a serious population crisis otherwise.

Paternity leave is way less important or even relevant, maternity leave is what we should focus on! Maybe have it be like 12 weeks? I don't know what the best suggested time is...

That's nothing. It should be financially viable for mothers to stay home to raise their kids without having to work.

So a return to the stay-at-home mom? Yeah that's just gone...

Shouldn't be. My mum was a stay at home mother; it's really important that kids get proper connection with/care from their parents, and both parents being in work doesn't give that. Being a mother is a full time job and it's not reasonable to expect mothers to have paying work too.

Do you think being a Dad isn't?

[afleitch]

If you're making childbirth the exception to a hellish healthcare system, do pause to reflect on why.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

LoL the RS are in trouble in OH because what has he done for the poor people campaign this does nothing to change that that's why Barber is going to OH, NC and FL to campaign for Eday 24

It's not gonna be a straight 303 there are gonna be upsets because it's not a Midterm but Prez Eday and we are still poor with 7 percent inflation. Just because 9 percent unemployment went down, that's RS refuse to acknowledge

[Badger]

Very good man! Let the women have more kids, 6 weeks maternity leave when (never NEVER for men though)?

Maternity leave should be extended. Although I support paternity leave too. Childcare and many costs involved with raising a child also should be funded by the state, we're heading for a serious population crisis otherwise.

Paternity leave is way less important or even relevant, maternity leave is what we should focus on! Maybe have it be like 12 weeks? I don't know what the best suggested time is...

The party of 'family values' my friends! Cause Lord knows that a MAN's contribution to society is far more needed at his 9-5 corporate job for those couple of weeks than forming early-childhood attachments with his children and/or assisting his recovering wife!

Obviously a "fine" proposal, but considering I support single-payer that should be obvious. ALL medical care should be free at the point of service.

It's better for the child to have 12 weeks maternity leave rather 6-6 M-P leave

That's a false dichotomy by any stretch of the measure, you realize that most OECD and 1st world countries do both right?

And 12 weeks is the bare minimum.

The one thing the overturning of Roe should’ve done is shift the GOP from being pro-life to being pro-family and I’m glad that a few senators are taking that initiative (although ideally they should’ve been pro-family from the get go). I’d add that I think this is a natural projection from Reagan’s “family values” but the GOP got distracted by trickle down economics for a few decades.

Addendum. They by no means ever stopped being so distracted.

[Skill and Chance]

If you're making childbirth the exception to a hellish healthcare system, do pause to reflect on why.

There's a balance.  If you eliminate all competition in the system (UK/Canada), you end up waiting the rest of the year for routine care.

[THKL]

The Republican obsession with childbirth is extremely creepy, !

[President Johnson]

Would be a step forward. I hope it gets passed and would credit everyone who worked to make it possible.

[BG-NY]

No thanks. Fewer people, not more. I wish Vance would cross the aisle on abortion rather than this.

[Frodo]

No thanks. Fewer people, not more. I wish Vance would cross the aisle on abortion rather than this.

Most people generally congratulate parents for bringing newborns into the world, not condemn them for it.  And if we are going to build a pro-life society worthy of the name, it makes perfect sense to start here.  

[BG-NY]

No thanks. Fewer people, not more. I wish Vance would cross the aisle on abortion rather than this.

Most people generally congratulate parents for bringing newborns into the world, not condemn them for it.  And if we are going to build a pro-life society worthy of the name, it makes perfect sense to start here.  

I'm not pro-life, so I don't really want that.