Mexico agrees to provide $1.5 billion to help U.S. manage migrants on southern border

[BG-NY]

How do you grapple with the fact that literally all of your ancestors were once the unwanted houseguests you so badly want to see banned from entry?

I don't know if they were wanted or unwanted. They're dead.

[wesmoorenerd]

How do you grapple with the fact that literally all of your ancestors were once the unwanted houseguests you so badly want to see banned from entry?

I don't know if they were wanted or unwanted. They're dead.

They were unwanted by someone. Your German ancestors by the Know Nothings and other nativist groups of the early 1800s. Your Italian ancestors by the anti-Catholics who passed the Emergency Quota Act, lynched 11 in New Orleans, executed Sacco and Vanzetti, and formed the backbone of the second Klan. Your English ancestors by the very Native Americans they stole their land from. How do you feel about the fact that your ancestors went against the strong wishes of many of the inhabitants of the land they moved to? It seems that you and your family have benefitted from a process you claim they had no right to, considering the opposition of the locals.

[BG-NY]

They were unwanted by someone. Your German ancestors by the Know Nothings and other nativist groups of the early 1800s. Your Italian ancestors by the anti-Catholics who passed the Emergency Quota Act, lynched 11 in New Orleans, executed Sacco and Vanzetti, and formed the backbone of the second Klan. Your English ancestors by the very Native Americans they stole their land from. How do you feel about the fact that your ancestors went against the strong wishes of many of the inhabitants of the land they moved to? It seems that you and your family have benefitted from a process you claim they had no right to, considering the opposition of the locals.

They moved to a frontier nation, survived, and thrived. The fittest survive, and get to set the rules for the next generation. There's a reason why boomers are ruling the world now.

Native born Americans are a strong lot, and have dominion over foreigners who want to immigrate.

[wesmoorenerd]

They were unwanted by someone. Your German ancestors by the Know Nothings and other nativist groups of the early 1800s. Your Italian ancestors by the anti-Catholics who passed the Emergency Quota Act, lynched 11 in New Orleans, executed Sacco and Vanzetti, and formed the backbone of the second Klan. Your English ancestors by the very Native Americans they stole their land from. How do you feel about the fact that your ancestors went against the strong wishes of many of the inhabitants of the land they moved to? It seems that you and your family have benefitted from a process you claim they had no right to, considering the opposition of the locals.

They moved to a frontier nation, survived, and thrived. The fittest survive, and get to set the rules for the next generation. There's a reason why boomers are ruling the world now.

So what's the difference between your unwanted ancestors and the unwanted folks you see coming into the country today? They seem equally capable of surviving and thriving in this country. Just look at how many immigrants have rags to riches stories in business and media. You seem incapable of squaring this disconnect -- either that or you're unwilling to face what it would mean for you and your family.

I'm going to ask you one more time in plain English: do you think attempts to prevent your ancestors from settling in America were equally justified as your fantasies of shutting down the flow of immigration into this country today?

(By the way, I truly hope you're aware of how much of a lunatic you sound like. Your rhetoric is indistinguishable from that of a Know Nothing member, Klansman, or race scientist. And my friend, I hate to tell you, but you are not projecting an image of "fitness" and "strength.")

[BG-NY]

So what's the difference between your unwanted ancestors and the unwanted folks you see coming into the country today? They seem equally capable of surviving and thriving in this country. Just look at how many immigrants have rags to riches stories in business and media. You seem incapable of squaring this disconnect -- either that or you're unwilling to face what it would mean for you and your family.

I'm going to ask you one more time in plain English: do you think attempts to prevent your ancestors from settling in America were equally justified as your fantasies of shutting down the flow of immigration into this country today?

(By the way, I truly hope you're aware of how much of a lunatic you sound like. Your rhetoric is indistinguishable from that of a Know Nothing member of Klansman.)

It's not at all hypocrisy. If I was in the country at the time, and was from a different family, I wouldn't want my family here either.

Part of being a nationalist is believing that people who are already here play by different rules than people not already here.

Also, I don't know how it makes me a Know Nothing/Klansman when I don't want more white people here either. I think inviting white Ukrainian refugees at the expensive of American blacks is abhorrent and clearly racist.

[wesmoorenerd]

It's not at all hypocrisy. If I was in the country at the time, and was from a different family, I wouldn't want my family here either.

At least you're willing to admit that. I hope you're at least willing to recognize how gravely disappointed your ancestors would be that you're siding with their persecutors. Ashamed. Sickened.

Also, I don't know how it makes me a Know Nothing/Klansman when I don't want more white people here either. I think inviting white Ukrainian refugees at the expensive of American blacks is abhorrent and clearly racist.

Glad to see you have such care and empathy for your fellow humans that you're willing to condemn Ukrainians to mass murder, rape, and dislocation. And I must say, you're pretty clearly an expert on what constitutes racism, with your frankly disturbing and borderline eugenicist rhetoric on the "strength" and "fitness" of "native-born Americans."

[BG-NY]

Glad to see you have such care and empathy for your fellow humans that you're willing to condemn Ukrainians to mass murder, rape, and dislocation. And I must say, you're pretty clearly an expert on what constitutes racism, with your frankly disturbing and borderline eugenicist rhetoric on the "strength" and "fitness" of "native-born Americans."

It's neither strength nor fitness. It's a privilege that people born here enjoy.

I'd rather spend $10 trillion on reparations for American blacks than allow a single white refugee in the country.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Finally, America receives foreign aid!

Go back to Italy, Fredo.

Great-grandparents were all born here. I'm good in Ann Coulter's book.

Besides, Europe is terrible. Our globalist overtures toward NATO and the EU are deplorable.

Nice to visit -- awful place to live.

Fake word.

[wesmoorenerd]

Glad to see you have such care and empathy for your fellow humans that you're willing to condemn Ukrainians to mass murder, rape, and dislocation. And I must say, you're pretty clearly an expert on what constitutes racism, with your frankly disturbing and borderline eugenicist rhetoric on the "strength" and "fitness" of "native-born Americans."

It's neither strength nor fitness. It's a privilege that people born here enjoy.

I'd rather spend $10 trillion on reparations for American blacks than allow a single white refugee in the country.

lmao, you truly do need to get your priorities in order. log off bro

[BG-NY]

Glad to see you have such care and empathy for your fellow humans that you're willing to condemn Ukrainians to mass murder, rape, and dislocation. And I must say, you're pretty clearly an expert on what constitutes racism, with your frankly disturbing and borderline eugenicist rhetoric on the "strength" and "fitness" of "native-born Americans."

One last note, I am doing no such thing. I don't believe in the right of conquest of nations, and think Ukraine should fight back.

I agree with General Washington on Europe:

“In a word, if this country can steer clear of European politics, stand firm on its bottom, and be wise and temperate in its government, it bids fair to be one of the greatest and happiest nations in the world.”

Leave the affairs of Europe to Europeans. Let the EU and European NATO partners contribute to Kyiv's defense.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

First of all, you sound like a lazy parody of someone holding your views. Second of all, immigration benefits the entire economy and the small negative impact it has on the local population can be made up for by other things we should be doing anyway.

Show me evidence that increasing immigration specifically improves the economic status of native-born working and lower-middle class Americans then. Should be easy, right?

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy

And of course, the idea that american born people are the only people that matter is evil.

[BG-NY]

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy

And of course, the idea that american born people are the only people that matter is evil.

(1) These are aggregates. The Top 30% and bottom 10% benefit disproportionately. Show me data by decile or some other granularity.
(2) This misrepresents Borjas. His treatise "We Wanted Workers" breaks down the impact of foreigners on American by sector.
(3) People in America today matter more to Americans than people not in America today. This shouldn't be controversial.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy

And of course, the idea that american born people are the only people that matter is evil.

(1) These are aggregates. The Top 30% and bottom 10% benefit disproportionately. Show me data by decile or some other granularity.
(2) This misrepresents Borjas. His treatise "We Wanted Workers" breaks down the impact of foreigners on American by sector.
(3) People in America today matter more to Americans than people not in America today. This shouldn't be controversial.

1. Okay. That wouldn't change the fact that immigration is beneficial overall.
2. Again, immigration is beneficial overall. The fact that you can find harm by zooming in on a specific industry doesn't change that
3.The idea that we should care less about people because they live on the other side of an arbitrary line is stupid and should be a lot more controversial than it is.

[Ferguson97]

I think inviting white Ukrainian refugees at the expensive of American blacks is abhorrent and clearly racist.

This isn’t a zero sum game, you lunatic. Why would helping Ukrainian refugees be at the expense of Black Americans?

[Meclazine for Israel]

Solved the Mexican Border problem.

It still involves building a wall, but to save money, just shorten the border by drawing a hypotenuse from the eastern most Texan border straight across Mexico to the Pacific Ocean.



That reduces the cost of the wall by 75%. A new NFL team, a couple of NASCAR tracks and the USA takes over Corona Beer factories, and it should be sweet.

[Orwell]

I support illegal immigration because I can pay them less

[ProudModerate2]

Why are you guys arguing with the likes of BG-NY ?

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

First of all, you sound like a lazy parody of someone holding your views. Second of all, immigration benefits the entire economy and the small negative impact it has on the local population can be made up for by other things we should be doing anyway.

Show me evidence that increasing immigration specifically improves the economic status of native-born working and lower-middle class Americans then. Should be easy, right?

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy

And of course, the idea that american born people are the only people that matter is evil.

But they SHOULD matter the most to our Government.  Above all others.  If it's in the interest of Americans and not in the interest of Foreigners our Government ought to have an exceptionally powerful moral reason before placing the interest of foreigners ahead of the interest of the people they are elected to serve and whose interests they are charged to defend.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

$1.5B?  That's like each of us chipping in a nickel.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

First of all, you sound like a lazy parody of someone holding your views. Second of all, immigration benefits the entire economy and the small negative impact it has on the local population can be made up for by other things we should be doing anyway.

Show me evidence that increasing immigration specifically improves the economic status of native-born working and lower-middle class Americans then. Should be easy, right?

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy

And of course, the idea that american born people are the only people that matter is evil.

But they SHOULD matter the most to our Government.  Above all others.  If it's in the interest of Americans and not in the interest of Foreigners our Government ought to have an exceptionally powerful moral reason before placing the interest of foreigners ahead of the interest of the people they are elected to serve and whose interests they are charged to defend.

First of all, this is a 6 month old post. Secondly, that's a dumb idea.

[GP270watch]

 Biden effectively and sanely does what some people liked about the Trump agenda better than Trump.