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« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2024, 10:23:09 PM »

Put together a sound legal strategy and strong legal team to handle legal challenges over canceling elections and invalidating results. Secondly, get security for candidates because any candidate who is an electoral threat to a Republican candidate will be at risk of being harmed.



None of that is going to happen. Trump isn’t going to fight tooth and nail to overturn an election that he isn’t a candidate in.
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« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2024, 12:23:51 AM »
« Edited: May 25, 2024, 12:31:53 AM by smoltchanov »

Return to "a candidate must fit the district" strategy, which served them so well for so long. And (as a consequence) - never  try to apply a"litmus tests" for  almost any issue - being it abortions, LGBT rights, immigration or, say, Gaza. There are general principles (outlined in Constitution) which must be followed, everything else - at least discussible...

P.S. I doubt that will happen: too many special interest groups, which will say: "we will give you zero amount of money if you don't do this or that...". It's THAT groups, which REALLY compete in modern day elections and rule, while parties turned into simple "appendixes" to them.... And people play the role of pawns, or, in best cases - actors in mass scenes...
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« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2024, 05:31:27 AM »

As I say again Cornyn is safe TX was a pipe dream
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« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2024, 09:12:48 AM »

Put together a sound legal strategy and strong legal team to handle legal challenges over canceling elections and invalidating results. Secondly, get security for candidates because any candidate who is an electoral threat to a Republican candidate will be at risk of being harmed.




I agree. It could actually get this bad.
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« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2024, 11:20:55 AM »

Put together a sound legal strategy and strong legal team to handle legal challenges over canceling elections and invalidating results. Secondly, get security for candidates because any candidate who is an electoral threat to a Republican candidate will be at risk of being harmed.




I agree. It could actually get this bad.

Stop overreacting. The GOP will not be able to cancel elections or invalidate results no matter how hard they tried, and the few places they could do that are in solid R states.
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« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2024, 02:05:38 PM »

Put together a sound legal strategy and strong legal team to handle legal challenges over canceling elections and invalidating results. Secondly, get security for candidates because any candidate who is an electoral threat to a Republican candidate will be at risk of being harmed.



None of that is going to happen. Trump isn’t going to fight tooth and nail to overturn an election that he isn’t a candidate in.

Some said he would not refuse to leave office in if he lost in 2020 but we see how that turned out. With that said he's not going to want a Democratic Congress because he wants the ability to do whatever he wants. Plus there are plenty of other Republicans who would want to tamper with elections so they don't really need his support to do attempt cancellations of and overturning of elections.
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« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2024, 02:38:17 PM »

Put together a sound legal strategy and strong legal team to handle legal challenges over canceling elections and invalidating results. Secondly, get security for candidates because any candidate who is an electoral threat to a Republican candidate will be at risk of being harmed.



None of that is going to happen. Trump isn’t going to fight tooth and nail to overturn an election that he isn’t a candidate in.

Some said he would not refuse to leave office in if he lost in 2020 but we see how that turned out. With that said he's not going to want a Democratic Congress because he wants the ability to do whatever he wants. Plus there are plenty of other Republicans who would want to tamper with elections so they don't really need his support to do attempt cancellations of and overturning of elections.

Republicans don’t have the power to cancel and overturn elections because they are run by the states, not the federal government. The only places they would be able to get away with it are in safe R states where they don’t need to rig elections in order to win.
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« Reply #32 on: May 25, 2024, 02:49:34 PM »

Focus on where they are favored (like abortion and Ukraine), and avoid the unpopular things.
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« Reply #33 on: May 25, 2024, 05:00:08 PM »
« Edited: May 25, 2024, 05:38:49 PM by DrScholl »

Put together a sound legal strategy and strong legal team to handle legal challenges over canceling elections and invalidating results. Secondly, get security for candidates because any candidate who is an electoral threat to a Republican candidate will be at risk of being harmed.



None of that is going to happen. Trump isn’t going to fight tooth and nail to overturn an election that he isn’t a candidate in.

Some said he would not refuse to leave office in if he lost in 2020 but we see how that turned out. With that said he's not going to want a Democratic Congress because he wants the ability to do whatever he wants. Plus there are plenty of other Republicans who would want to tamper with elections so they don't really need his support to do attempt cancellations of and overturning of elections.

Republicans don’t have the power to cancel and overturn elections because they are run by the states, not the federal government. The only places they would be able to get away with it are in safe R states where they don’t need to rig elections in order to win.

Whether or not they can succeed is secondary to the amount of chaos such attempts would cause. None of the election lies in 2020 worked but they still did harm to the country.

With all that being said even a few Republican leaning counties refusing to certify their results to the state can create a situation that makes rogue County clerks martyrs for fighting fraud and create a whole new cavalcade of conspiracies.

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« Reply #34 on: May 25, 2024, 05:14:29 PM »

Put together a sound legal strategy and strong legal team to handle legal challenges over canceling elections and invalidating results. Secondly, get security for candidates because any candidate who is an electoral threat to a Republican candidate will be at risk of being harmed.



None of that is going to happen. Trump isn’t going to fight tooth and nail to overturn an election that he isn’t a candidate in.

Some said he would not refuse to leave office in if he lost in 2020 but we see how that turned out. With that said he's not going to want a Democratic Congress because he wants the ability to do whatever he wants. Plus there are plenty of other Republicans who would want to tamper with elections so they don't really need his support to do attempt cancellations of and overturning of elections.

Republicans don’t have the power to cancel and overturn elections because they are run by the states, not the federal government. The only places they would be able to get away with it are in safe R states where they don’t need to rig elections in order to win.

Whether or not they can succeed is secondary to the amount of chaos such attempts would cause. None of the election lies in 2020 worked but they still did harm to the country.

With all that being said even a few Republican leaning counties refusing to certify their results to the state and create a situation that makes rogue County clerks martyrs for fighting fraud and create a whole new cavalcade of conspiracies.



Agreed. Just the attempt by a few bold Republicans would set a very dangerous precedent.
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« Reply #35 on: May 25, 2024, 05:45:49 PM »

They really won't have to do much.

Americans will suddenly remember how much they hate Trump and have buyer's remorse over letting him return to power. Just like 2018, but on steroids.

It'll be a bloodbath for the GOP, but a pyrrhic victory for Democrats at best since Trump would still be President and probably already did irreparable harm in his first two years.

What tanks Trump's popularity in his second term?

Literally just being Trump all over the news again.
yeah, Trump's chances are in large part due to the perception that he can bring back 2019. Spoiler alert, he won't.
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« Reply #36 on: May 25, 2024, 07:32:47 PM »

They really won't have to do much.

Americans will suddenly remember how much they hate Trump and have buyer's remorse over letting him return to power. Just like 2018, but on steroids.

It'll be a bloodbath for the GOP, but a pyrrhic victory for Democrats at best since Trump would still be President and probably already did irreparable harm in his first two years.

What tanks Trump's popularity in his second term?

Literally just being Trump all over the news again.
yeah, Trump's chances are in large part due to the perception that he can bring back 2019. Spoiler alert, he won't.


2019 wasn’t even that great. It just looks better compared to 2020, when Trump was also still the president…
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« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2024, 12:01:16 PM »

They really wouldn’t need to do anything. Woo strong candidates that could conceivably win tough Senate races (Laura Kelly, Rob Sand, Mary Peltola), but the House would easily flip (or stay) Dem, and NC and ME should be relatively easy Dem gains. Dems probably expand theie governorships by a couple too.
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« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2024, 12:20:01 PM »

They really wouldn’t need to do anything. Woo strong candidates that could conceivably win tough Senate races (Laura Kelly, Rob Sand, Mary Peltola), but the House would easily flip (or stay) Dem, and NC and ME should be relatively easy Dem gains. Dems probably expand theie governorships by a couple too.
Not really sure why Laura Kelly is seen as red-hot potential Senate material. She'll be closer to 80 than 70 years old by that time and it isn't like she won reelection decisively unlike her predecessor Sebelius; she barely beat Schmidt by 2 points. Even under the best circumstances I can't see her ending the nearly century-long lockout of Dems from Kansas' U.S. Senate seats.

Peltola is probably the most viable of those 3 options by a country mile; even I as a bit of a doomer could see that happening in a Trump midterm.
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« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2024, 11:20:12 PM »

They really wouldn’t need to do anything. Woo strong candidates that could conceivably win tough Senate races (Laura Kelly, Rob Sand, Mary Peltola), but the House would easily flip (or stay) Dem, and NC and ME should be relatively easy Dem gains. Dems probably expand theie governorships by a couple too.
Not really sure why Laura Kelly is seen as red-hot potential Senate material. She'll be closer to 80 than 70 years old by that time and it isn't like she won reelection decisively unlike her predecessor Sebelius; she barely beat Schmidt by 2 points. Even under the best circumstances I can't see her ending the nearly century-long lockout of Dems from Kansas' U.S. Senate seats.

Peltola is probably the most viable of those 3 options by a country mile; even I as a bit of a doomer could see that happening in a Trump midterm.

Laura Kelly won reelection in 2022 amidst an indcredibly unpopular president from her own party against a candidate who was seen as the strongest challenger to her. All I’ll say is this: underestimate her at your own peril—she very well could break the dry spell, especially in a Trump midterm. Context matters. Kansas is getting bluer.
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« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2024, 01:46:01 AM »

Put together a sound legal strategy and strong legal team to handle legal challenges over canceling elections and invalidating results. Secondly, get security for candidates because any candidate who is an electoral threat to a Republican candidate will be at risk of being harmed.



None of that is going to happen. Trump isn’t going to fight tooth and nail to overturn an election that he isn’t a candidate in.

Some said he would not refuse to leave office in if he lost in 2020 but we see how that turned out. With that said he's not going to want a Democratic Congress because he wants the ability to do whatever he wants. Plus there are plenty of other Republicans who would want to tamper with elections so they don't really need his support to do attempt cancellations of and overturning of elections.

Republicans don’t have the power to cancel and overturn elections because they are run by the states, not the federal government. The only places they would be able to get away with it are in safe R states where they don’t need to rig elections in order to win.

And what happens if they still hold control in states like Georgia?

Make no mistake, Trump will try to centralise control around him and will likely succeed because of a court system stacked with sycophants.
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« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2024, 03:07:32 AM »

Put together a sound legal strategy and strong legal team to handle legal challenges over canceling elections and invalidating results. Secondly, get security for candidates because any candidate who is an electoral threat to a Republican candidate will be at risk of being harmed.



None of that is going to happen. Trump isn’t going to fight tooth and nail to overturn an election that he isn’t a candidate in.

Some said he would not refuse to leave office in if he lost in 2020 but we see how that turned out. With that said he's not going to want a Democratic Congress because he wants the ability to do whatever he wants. Plus there are plenty of other Republicans who would want to tamper with elections so they don't really need his support to do attempt cancellations of and overturning of elections.

Republicans don’t have the power to cancel and overturn elections because they are run by the states, not the federal government. The only places they would be able to get away with it are in safe R states where they don’t need to rig elections in order to win.

And what happens if they still hold control in states like Georgia?

Make no mistake, Trump will try to centralise control around him and will likely succeed because of a court system stacked with sycophants.

Georgia is mostly controlled by the likes of Kemp and Raffensperger who are establishment GOPers who aren’t going to bend to Trump’s will.

Trump’s own judges consistently ruled against him in his many 2020 lawsuits. People like Cannon are the exception rather than the rule. I think we’ll se a lot of his own judges rule against him a lot more frequently than you think.
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