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« on: April 11, 2022, 12:45:36 PM »

That's right, nothing, except collecting some pay while suspended.

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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2022, 01:03:32 PM »

These officers should have been thrown into prison for many years.
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2022, 02:32:34 PM »
« Edited: April 11, 2022, 03:39:55 PM by Cigna Conor »

Don't let this distract you from the fact that the New York State Democrat Party stood by the mayor that allowed them to get off and supported him by proxy.

Including flawless queen Kathy Hochul, who "didn't want to spend capital" supporting an upstate mayor race in checks notes her hometown.

These people are not your friends!
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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2022, 05:26:02 PM »
« Edited: April 13, 2022, 04:10:47 PM by Cigna Conor »

A similar thing happened, just 30 minutes away from me in Maine. It's an incident I have a lot to say and a lot to write about, that really made my personal views on policing evolve. I passed through York this July on a road trip with some of my closest friends on here, and I pass through York whenever I go to Ogunquit. I had been meaning to post this for a while. It didn't quite capture the attention of the world that the Gugino incident did, but it showed the realities and how broken the system is. If it can happen to the local pediatrician, it can happen to anyone.

In 2019, a police officer in York, Maine pulled over a 63-year-old man for flashing his high beams at him. The victim, Stephen Brennan, was a local pediatrician known in the community. He got out of his car and calmly walked over - something that he had done for years without any issue. Officer Rogers went after him immediately, escalating the situation by screaming at him. He had complied with all commands and continued screaming after Brennan was walking back to his car. As he was trying to make sense of it all and complying with his orders, Rogers released his K-9, mauling him as he slapped him a few times and put him in handcuffs.

Would I have gotten out of the car? No. I have friends in a local police department near me and I wouldn't. It doesn't matter how well-known you are or whether your friend or family is a cop. You don't get out of police cars. Was he being flippant? Sure, even if it was because of his escalation. Did Brennan deserve to be mauled and have his face broken? Hell no.

Did Rogers attempt to de-escalate the situation? No. If anything, he went out of his way to escalate it further. He immediately started screaming for 40 seconds, turned a gun on him within 10 seconds, and sicced his K-9 on him after not complying as quickly as he would. His hands were visible at all times, and any reasonable officer would have seen that he was not a threat of violence. Use of force was used as a first measure and not a last resort.

Of course, like most cases of police misconduct, the powers that be covered it up. Rogers lied on the police report, and said that he ran and charged towards the officer, and was moving as if he was concealing a weapon. Far from the calm, compliant Brennan we see in the video. His commanding officer, Brian Curtin, backed him up at face value. The DA cleared him of wrongdoing, taking their account at face value. The police chief and town manager not only cleared him of wrongdoing, but said that internal policy didn't need to be updated. In their words, he was "just doing his job to Keep Our Community Safe."

Rogers is still on patrol to this day, still with access to the K-9 that he used as a weapon against an innocent man. The only consequence he received was that he was told not to use the F-word. This is America, folks. You can sic your dog on an innocent man, break his face, and shatter his insulin pump, but God forbid you say the F-word. That was the key takeaway from this incident.

That left the civil suit. A federal civil excessive force lawsuit. It took until January of this year to resolve it - nearly 3 months to this date. After 2 and a half years of fighting, Brennan and the YPD settled for $325,000. Even then, the lawsuit failed to name any wrongdoing by the police in any capacity or any legal responsibility, and the town's insurance company paid it out. Their insurance policy for police liability is $1,000,000 - enough to hurt them but enough to severely kneecap their reputation. A week later, they released the video showing Rogers's brutality after a FOIA request from the local media.

It went viral on Reddit and took the local media ablaze. And even then, with their brutality on display for the world to see, the YPD still tried to cover it up. They locked their comments on social media for a month - something that's explicitly illegal. Rogers's commanding officer doubled down, even after we saw his misconduct for what it was. He still tried to say that "the case never found anyone liable" like we didn't see the damn video of his officer siccing his K-9 on someone for a traffic violation.

Even the media hasn't been fully accountable. In the interest in "letting both sides be heard", they allowed his CO to lie and condemn the video being released because "all use of force videos look the same" and we need to "respect the officers' judgment that it was justified". You know, like they didn't fabricate Brennan running towards Rogers or charging at him. They criticized the response, but gave YPD's lies the same good faith as the truthful reporting.

In fact, when a selectwoman wrote her condemnation of the entire incident, the department wrote to the board calling for her discipline! Apparently calling his continued employment "a stain on the town" qualifies as slander to them. They can criticize and silence us all they want, but we've seen the damn video. We know what Officer Rogers did. And we know what he did and what the department did was wrong.

When you see people like Derek Chauvin or Torgalski and McCabe abuse innocent civilians. it's disturbing. Most people think it can't happen here. The police department isn't corrupt here like it is in Buffalo or Aurora. It's another thing when it happens in your backyard. When a law enforcement officer not only engages in brutality, but the entire department attempts to silence all criticism in how they handled it, it undermines our trust in the good cops we have. It makes the profession look bad. It makes the city look unsafe. And those who protect them, Democrat or Republican, need to be voted out at every level of government.

One thing's for certain: I sure as hell won't be going back to Ogunquit this summer.
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2022, 07:30:39 PM »

A similar thing happened, just 30 minutes away from me in Maine. It's an incident I have a lot to say and a lot to write about, that really made my personal views on policing evolve. I passed through York this July on a road trip with some of my closest friends on here, and I pass through York whenever I go to Ogunquit. I had been meaning to post this for a while. It didn't quite capture the attention of the world that the Gugino incident did, but it showed the realities and how broken the system is. If it can happen to the local pediatrician, it can happen to anyone.

In 2019, a police officer in York, Maine [urlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJzNeM09BXc]pulled over[/url] a 63-year-old man for flashing his high beams at him. The victim, Stephen Brennan, was a local pediatrician known in the community. He got out of his car and calmly walked over - something that he had done for years without any issue. Officer Rogers went after him immediately, escalating the situation by screaming at him. He had complied with all commands and continued screaming after Brennan was walking back to his car. As he was trying to make sense of it all and complying with his orders, Rogers released his K-9, mauling him as he slapped him a few times and put him in handcuffs.

Would I have gotten out of the car? No. I have friends in a local police department near me and I wouldn't. It doesn't matter how well-known you are or whether your friend or family is a cop. You don't get out of police cars. Did he deserve this? Was he being flippant? Sure.

Did Rogers attempt to de-escalate the situation? Hell no. If anything, he went out of his way to escalate it further. He immediately started screaming for 40 seconds, turned a gun on him within 10 seconds, and sicced his K-9 on him after not complying as quickly as he would. His hands were visible at all times, and any reasonable officer would have seen that he was not a threat of violence.

Of course, like most cases of police misconduct, the powers that be covered it up. Rogers lied on the police report, and said that he ran and charged towards the officer, and was moving as if he was concealing a weapon. Far from the calm, compliant Brennan we see in the video. His commanding officer, Brian Curtin, backed him up at face value. The DA cleared him of wrongdoing, taking their account at face value. The police chief and town manager not only cleared him of wrongdoing, but said that internal policy didn't need to be updated. In their words, he was "just doing his job to Keep Our Community Safe."

Rogers is still on patrol to this day, still with access to the K-9 that he used as a weapon against an innocent man. The only consequence he received was that he was told not to use the F-word. This is America, folks. You can sic your dog on an innocent man, break his face, and shatter his insulin pump, but God forbid you say the F-word. That was the key takeaway from this incident.

That left the civil suit. A federal civil excessive force lawsuit. It took until January of this year to resolve it - nearly 3 months to this date. After 2 and a half years of fighting, Brennan and the YPD settled for $325,000. Even then, the lawsuit failed to name any wrongdoing by the police in any capacity or any legal responsibility, and the town's insurance company paid it out. Even then, their insurance policy for police liability is $1,000,000. A week later, they released the video showing Rogers's brutality after a FOIA request from the local media.

And even then, with their brutality on display, the YPD still tried to cover it up. They locked their comments on social media for a month - something that's explicitly illegal. Rogers's commanding officer doubled down, even after we saw his misconduct for what it was. He still tried to say that "the case never found anyone liable" like we didn't see the damn video of his officer siccing his K-9 on someone for a traffic violation.

Even the media hasn't been fully accountable. In the interest in "letting both sides be heard", they allowed his CO to lie and condemn the video being released because "all use of force videos look the same" and we need to "respect the officers' judgment that it was justified". You know, like they didn't fabricate Brennan running towards Rogers or charging at him. They criticized the response, but gave YPD's lies the same good faith as the truthful reporting.

In fact, when a selectwoman wrote her condemnation of the entire incident, the department wrote to the board calling for her discipline! Apparently calling his continued employment "a stain on the town" qualifies as slander to them. They can criticize and silence us all they want, but we've seen the damn video. We know what Officer Rogers did. And we know what he did and what the department did was wrong.

When you see people like Derek Chauvin or Torgalski and McCabe abuse innocent civilians. it's disturbing. Most people think it can't happen here. The police department isn't corrupt here like it is in Buffalo or Aurora. It's another thing when it happens in your backyard. When a law enforcement officer not only engages in brutality, but the entire department attempts to silence all criticism in how they handled it, it undermines our trust in the good cops we have. It makes the profession look bad. And those who protect them, Democrat or Republican, need to be voted out at every level of government.

One thing's for certain: I sure as hell won't be going back to Ogunquit this summer.

You are spot on. The politicians that protect the bad cops in both parties do it because either they are bought and paid for by police unions or they are afraid of the backlash.
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2022, 04:25:36 PM »

A similar thing happened, just 30 minutes away from me in Maine. It's an incident I have a lot to say and a lot to write about, that really made my personal views on policing evolve. I passed through York this July on a road trip with some of my closest friends on here, and I pass through York whenever I go to Ogunquit. I had been meaning to post this for a while. It didn't quite capture the attention of the world that the Gugino incident did, but it showed the realities and how broken the system is. If it can happen to the local pediatrician, it can happen to anyone.

In 2019, a police officer in York, Maine pulled over a 63-year-old man for flashing his high beams at him. The victim, Stephen Brennan, was a local pediatrician known in the community. He got out of his car and calmly walked over - something that he had done for years without any issue. Officer Rogers went after him immediately, escalating the situation by screaming at him. He had complied with all commands and continued screaming after Brennan was walking back to his car. As he was trying to make sense of it all and complying with his orders, Rogers released his K-9, mauling him as he slapped him a few times and put him in handcuffs.

Would I have gotten out of the car? No. I have friends in a local police department near me and I wouldn't. It doesn't matter how well-known you are or whether your friend or family is a cop. You don't get out of police cars. Was he being flippant? Sure, even if it was because of his escalation. Did Brennan deserve to be mauled and have his face broken? Hell no.

Did Rogers attempt to de-escalate the situation? No. If anything, he went out of his way to escalate it further. He immediately started screaming for 40 seconds, turned a gun on him within 10 seconds, and sicced his K-9 on him after not complying as quickly as he would. His hands were visible at all times, and any reasonable officer would have seen that he was not a threat of violence. Use of force was used as a first measure and not a last resort.

Of course, like most cases of police misconduct, the powers that be covered it up. Rogers lied on the police report, and said that he ran and charged towards the officer, and was moving as if he was concealing a weapon. Far from the calm, compliant Brennan we see in the video. His commanding officer, Brian Curtin, backed him up at face value. The DA cleared him of wrongdoing, taking their account at face value. The police chief and town manager not only cleared him of wrongdoing, but said that internal policy didn't need to be updated. In their words, he was "just doing his job to Keep Our Community Safe."

Rogers is still on patrol to this day, still with access to the K-9 that he used as a weapon against an innocent man. The only consequence he received was that he was told not to use the F-word. This is America, folks. You can sic your dog on an innocent man, break his face, and shatter his insulin pump, but God forbid you say the F-word. That was the key takeaway from this incident.

That left the civil suit. A federal civil excessive force lawsuit. It took until January of this year to resolve it - nearly 3 months to this date. After 2 and a half years of fighting, Brennan and the YPD settled for $325,000. Even then, the lawsuit failed to name any wrongdoing by the police in any capacity or any legal responsibility, and the town's insurance company paid it out. Their insurance policy for police liability is $1,000,000 - enough to hurt them but enough to severely kneecap their reputation. A week later, they released the video showing Rogers's brutality after a FOIA request from the local media.

It went viral on Reddit and took the local media ablaze. And even then, with their brutality on display for the world to see, the YPD still tried to cover it up. They locked their comments on social media for a month - something that's explicitly illegal. Rogers's commanding officer doubled down, even after we saw his misconduct for what it was. He still tried to say that "the case never found anyone liable" like we didn't see the damn video of his officer siccing his K-9 on someone for a traffic violation.

Even the media hasn't been fully accountable. In the interest in "letting both sides be heard", they allowed his CO to lie and condemn the video being released because "all use of force videos look the same" and we need to "respect the officers' judgment that it was justified". You know, like they didn't fabricate Brennan running towards Rogers or charging at him. They criticized the response, but gave YPD's lies the same good faith as the truthful reporting.

In fact, when a selectwoman wrote her condemnation of the entire incident, the department wrote to the board calling for her discipline! Apparently calling his continued employment "a stain on the town" qualifies as slander to them. They can criticize and silence us all they want, but we've seen the damn video. We know what Officer Rogers did. And we know what he did and what the department did was wrong.

When you see people like Derek Chauvin or Torgalski and McCabe abuse innocent civilians. it's disturbing. Most people think it can't happen here. The police department isn't corrupt here like it is in Buffalo or Aurora. It's another thing when it happens in your backyard. When a law enforcement officer not only engages in brutality, but the entire department attempts to silence all criticism in how they handled it, it undermines our trust in the good cops we have. It makes the profession look bad. It makes the city look unsafe. And those who protect them, Democrat or Republican, need to be voted out at every level of government.

One thing's for certain: I sure as hell won't be going back to Ogunquit this summer.

Just a quick update on this situation - unsurprisingly, nothing was done. The acting Chief of Police who participated in the cover-up was promoted officially last week. The City Council still confirmed him, despite his defense of a corrupt cop and his department illegally trying to silence backlash.

It's not like York is this MAGA oasis either. 63% of the town voted for Biden. It got significant backlash at the time and horrified most people. There was only one short letter to the editor supporting Rogers - basically the same apologist drivel you'd expect. It's about how he Should Have Complied within the 40 seconds he gave, the town is Still Safe, and the corrupt cop was Just Doing His Job when he sicced his dog on him.

Except this wasn't some Trump supporter. This was an outspoken Democrat! He's showed up at anti-Trump protests. He's advocated for gun control and abortion. Whenever there was a protest to support impeachment, he was there. You can find a bunch more of his letters to the editor - almost all supporting Democratic causes.

This is how poisonous the ACAB mentality is to people. Even with everything that could go right, and even with hard evidence, a frontline fighter of the #Resistance still found a way to defend a corrupt cop! They still focused on the fact that Brennan got out of the car, and not that Rogers refused to de-escalate the situation or used force as a first measure of compliance. They didn't care about the cover-up, or that the police union attempted to silence criticism. In their shoes, they would never be assaulted by a cop, because they're the Good Guys too.

Ogunquit, the resort town I was talking about, hired their Chief of Police from York. Sure, the cop himself may not be a bad guy, but the questions from York just went over there. Does he think what happened to Brennan was okay? Will he adopt the same policies in York? Will a police brutality incident happen here, and will they cover it up too? Will the corruption from York PD spread?

That's the thing we need to convince people of. $350,000 does not scrub the stain of corruption from York or the police. $350,000 does not undo the damage caused to the town's reputation, or to the victim. $350,000 does not undo it. The only things that can are accountability in every facet. The moment we paint these cops as an aberration, and a disgrace to the profession, we achieve reform. The moment we realize that it can happen to any of us at any given time, we will have the reform we need.

We can and will change the hearts and minds of America. Maybe we can't convince Americans that this is normal, but we can convince them that these people are disgraces.
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2022, 07:23:18 PM »

Your going to need to support groups not bought by the police and not afraid of the heat. This is the appeal of socialist groups who deal with police bull•••• every protest and strike they participate in and every time some pig ruins their day as a working person.

There is no incentive for any party beholden to corporations from adopting sane law enforcement and legal policies given the financial incentives and bribes doled out by corporations and the reactionary professional association called FOP, which isn’t even a union.

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