Users who changed stances over time while posting
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
June 02, 2024, 05:46:30 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Forum Community
  Forum Community (Moderators: The Dowager Mod, YE, KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸)
  Users who changed stances over time while posting
« previous next »
Pages: 1 2 [3]
Author Topic: Users who changed stances over time while posting  (Read 3437 times)
Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden
Just Passion Through
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 45,485
Norway


P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #50 on: September 21, 2022, 02:24:57 PM »

I like to pretend otherwise, but my political views have definitely shifted somewhat since I registered here. I was a partisan Dem hack who admired Bill Clinton and I was also a great deal more fiscally conservative. Having experienced poverty (and becoming more in touch with my religion), that started to change. I liked Bernie Sanders, even before the shift, and I supported him on the day he announced even though I was prepared to vote for Hillary (which I did). I love the welfare state and believe it should be expanded. I've always believed that people have the right to determine their own destinies, regardless of whether other people approve (most of the time), and I think an expansive welfare state enables people to do exactly that.

I don't consider myself a Democrat anymore and I'm wary of labels, but I've never voted for a Republican and unless I move to Alaska (or it's a nonpartisan office and the Dem just sucks), I probably never will.
Logged
Vice President Christian Man
Christian Man
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,696
United States


Political Matrix
E: -1.94, S: -2.26

P P P

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #51 on: September 21, 2022, 08:21:04 PM »

When I first came here a long long time ago before a 6 or so year hiatus.. and when I was actually a proud troll...

I was fine with Bush and a socially conservative but economically far left poster. I was also anti immigrant and mormon.
Interesting, so sort of like Piegirl?
Logged
Chunk Yogurt for President!
CELTICEMPIRE
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,234
Georgia


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #52 on: September 21, 2022, 09:32:28 PM »

I've become less libertarian on both economics and social issues.
Logged
OSR stands with Israel
Computer89
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 45,319


Political Matrix
E: 3.42, S: 2.61

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #53 on: September 21, 2022, 09:40:58 PM »
« Edited: September 21, 2022, 09:44:11 PM by Old School Republican »

Going back to look at some of my posts, I don't think I have changed that much on social issues but more my outlook has changed. A lot of that is cause if you look at social issues on a two axis lense: Authoritarian vs Liberal and Progressive vs Traditionalist I would have always come out as a Liberal Traditionalist but in recent years the liberal side basically has ceased to exist so the only choice is Progressive vs Traditionalist and on that I come out strongly as a Traditionalist.

In 2015 btw I was opposed to bringing in Syrian Refugees without far stricter vetting, opposed to Obama's policies on trans issues and was in support in teaching how evil socialism was in schools.
Logged
Goldwater
Republitarian
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 18,071
United States


Political Matrix
E: 1.55, S: -4.52

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2022, 10:24:15 PM »

Going back to look at some of my posts, I don't think I have changed that much on social issues but more my outlook has changed. A lot of that is cause if you look at social issues on a two axis lense: Authoritarian vs Liberal and Progressive vs Traditionalist I would have always come out as a Liberal Traditionalist but in recent years the liberal side basically has ceased to exist so the only choice is Progressive vs Traditionalist and on that I come out strongly as a Traditionalist.

What makes you say that?
Logged
OSR stands with Israel
Computer89
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 45,319


Political Matrix
E: 3.42, S: 2.61

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #55 on: September 22, 2022, 01:24:49 AM »

Going back to look at some of my posts, I don't think I have changed that much on social issues but more my outlook has changed. A lot of that is cause if you look at social issues on a two axis lense: Authoritarian vs Liberal and Progressive vs Traditionalist I would have always come out as a Liberal Traditionalist but in recent years the liberal side basically has ceased to exist so the only choice is Progressive vs Traditionalist and on that I come out strongly as a Traditionalist.

What makes you say that?

1. Change in Attitudes towards Free Speech

2. Belief that families should be allowed to raise their kids in either a socially conservative or socially progressive way and the state should not push down any set of values on anyone
Logged
President Punxsutawney Phil
TimTurner
Atlas Politician
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 41,897
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #56 on: September 22, 2022, 03:35:17 AM »
« Edited: September 22, 2022, 06:43:30 AM by Southern Delegate and Atlasian AG Punxsutawney Phil »

I was once avowedly against even medical marijuana. Now I'm fully in favor of legalization.
Logged
Penn_Quaker_Girl
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,438
India


Political Matrix
E: 0.10, S: 0.06

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #57 on: September 22, 2022, 05:43:09 AM »

I was pushed more leftward from 2018-2021, but from 2021-present, I've become personally more conservative (though I'm still explicitly NOT a conservative). 

I'm other words: I'm still the annoyingly wishy-washy, good-for-nothing, hated-by-both-teams, can't-both-sides-just-have-fun, NeverTrumper, F**CK Joe Biden moderate she always has been Smiley
Logged
Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden
Just Passion Through
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 45,485
Norway


P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #58 on: September 22, 2022, 09:09:01 AM »

Surprised heatcharger hasn't been mentioned, also. Poor guy got everything he wanted in the last few primaries and he's still unsatisfied, to the point of switching parties and telling his old pals to F off.
Logged
Kleine Scheiße
PeteHam
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,781
United States


Political Matrix
E: -9.16, S: -1.74

P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #59 on: September 22, 2022, 09:41:06 AM »

I Was A Teenage 4chan Edgelord
Logged
OSR stands with Israel
Computer89
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 45,319


Political Matrix
E: 3.42, S: 2.61

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #60 on: September 22, 2022, 10:14:54 AM »

On economics I have moved left since 2015 but that’s more cause I held much more idealistic positions on how the government should run rather than realistic ones on many of those issues . For example I no longer support policies like 25% cuts to the budget across the board
Logged
FEMA Camp Administrator
Cathcon
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 27,355
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #61 on: September 22, 2022, 11:37:35 AM »

Neocon, libertarian, statist, moderate... what more do you guys want from me?
Logged
TDAS04
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 23,615
Bhutan


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #62 on: September 22, 2022, 01:42:43 PM »

Many, many posters have changed quite a bit ideologically while posting here.  I’ve been a fairly consistent center-left red avatar all these years, but I joined when I was 25.  It’s not surprising that many younger users shift quite a bit, I was also very confused about what I believed when I was 18.
Logged
TPIG
ThatConservativeGuy
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,993
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.13, S: 1.91


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #63 on: September 22, 2022, 01:58:06 PM »
« Edited: September 22, 2022, 02:56:33 PM by TPIG »

To sum it up quickly, I'll simply say my name used to match my username...

With a bit more detail, I used to be a hardcore advocate for laissez-faire economics and was almost libertarian with my approach to any sort of economic issue or matter of fiscal policy. Today, I still believe capitalism is the best economic system for creating a wealthy, prosperous society but also believe strongly in the need for an enlargened welfare state to ensure that the fruits of the capitalist system are able to benefit everyone.

Socially, I haven't changed a ton, except I now oppose the death penalty due to a deepening of my Catholic faith.

The biggest change obviously was with my approach to the GOP as a whole (I just recently saw a 2017 post of mine where I actually said I'd hold my nose and vote for Roy Moore over Doug Jones, if I were in Alabama Cry  Lips Sealed)  and Trump. I'm much less partisan now and, as lots of folks now, am willing to strongly condemn Trump and the GOP for things which I, at one point, tried to perform mental gymnastics in support of.
Logged
OSR stands with Israel
Computer89
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 45,319


Political Matrix
E: 3.42, S: 2.61

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #64 on: September 22, 2022, 02:02:12 PM »

Too sum it up quickly, I'll simply say my name used to match my username...

With a bit more detail, I used to be a hardcore advocate for laissez-faire economics and was almost libertarian with my approach to any sort of economic issue or matter of fiscal policy. Today, I still believe capitalism is the best economic system for creating a wealthy, prosperous society but also believe strongly in the need for an enlargened welfare state to ensure that the fruits of the capitalist system are able to benefit everyone.

Socially, I haven't changed a ton, except I now oppose the death penalty due to a deepening of my Catholic faith.

The biggest change obviously was with my approach to the GOP as a whole (I just recently saw a 2017 post of mine where I actually said I'd hold my nose and vote for Roy Moore over Doug Jones, if I were in Alabama Cry  Lips Sealed)  and Trump. I'm much less partisan now and, as lots of folks now, am willing to strongly condemn Trump and the GOP for things which I, at one point, tried to perform mental gymnastics in support of.

How much did in some ways your change in views on economics make you more willing to support democrats in general cause in 2017 you aligned basically with republicans on all the major issues so that probably made switching over to the democrats harder .

Now that you agree more with democrats on economics than republicans, I would say that may have even led you to become relatively more of a swing voter even if Trump conceded like a normal candidate and Jan 6th didn’t happen.

Logged
TPIG
ThatConservativeGuy
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,993
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.13, S: 1.91


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #65 on: September 22, 2022, 03:16:27 PM »

Too sum it up quickly, I'll simply say my name used to match my username...

With a bit more detail, I used to be a hardcore advocate for laissez-faire economics and was almost libertarian with my approach to any sort of economic issue or matter of fiscal policy. Today, I still believe capitalism is the best economic system for creating a wealthy, prosperous society but also believe strongly in the need for an enlargened welfare state to ensure that the fruits of the capitalist system are able to benefit everyone.

Socially, I haven't changed a ton, except I now oppose the death penalty due to a deepening of my Catholic faith.

The biggest change obviously was with my approach to the GOP as a whole (I just recently saw a 2017 post of mine where I actually said I'd hold my nose and vote for Roy Moore over Doug Jones, if I were in Alabama Cry  Lips Sealed)  and Trump. I'm much less partisan now and, as lots of folks now, am willing to strongly condemn Trump and the GOP for things which I, at one point, tried to perform mental gymnastics in support of.

How much did in some ways your change in views on economics make you more willing to support democrats in general cause in 2017 you aligned basically with republicans on all the major issues so that probably made switching over to the democrats harder .

Now that you agree more with democrats on economics than republicans, I would say that may have even led you to become relatively more of a swing voter even if Trump conceded like a normal candidate and Jan 6th didn’t happen.



My change in economic views has certainly had some impact on my willingness to vote for Democrats (particularly in local and state elections, where the roles those candidates fill have a relatively narrow scopes of responsibility and they wouldn't be influencing policy within areas where we disagree). The main factor in driving me to vote for Democrats at the federal level has far more to do with the Trumpist election denialism issue. If Trump hadn't gone down that route, I likely would have voted for him based on social policy (on which I often place more emphasis than economic policy, depending on the particular issue). My vote for Biden in 2020 was a rejection of Trump as a human being and as a leader, less because of policy disagreement.
Logged
OSR stands with Israel
Computer89
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 45,319


Political Matrix
E: 3.42, S: 2.61

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #66 on: September 22, 2022, 03:27:58 PM »

Too sum it up quickly, I'll simply say my name used to match my username...

With a bit more detail, I used to be a hardcore advocate for laissez-faire economics and was almost libertarian with my approach to any sort of economic issue or matter of fiscal policy. Today, I still believe capitalism is the best economic system for creating a wealthy, prosperous society but also believe strongly in the need for an enlargened welfare state to ensure that the fruits of the capitalist system are able to benefit everyone.

Socially, I haven't changed a ton, except I now oppose the death penalty due to a deepening of my Catholic faith.

The biggest change obviously was with my approach to the GOP as a whole (I just recently saw a 2017 post of mine where I actually said I'd hold my nose and vote for Roy Moore over Doug Jones, if I were in Alabama Cry  Lips Sealed)  and Trump. I'm much less partisan now and, as lots of folks now, am willing to strongly condemn Trump and the GOP for things which I, at one point, tried to perform mental gymnastics in support of.

How much did in some ways your change in views on economics make you more willing to support democrats in general cause in 2017 you aligned basically with republicans on all the major issues so that probably made switching over to the democrats harder .

Now that you agree more with democrats on economics than republicans, I would say that may have even led you to become relatively more of a swing voter even if Trump conceded like a normal candidate and Jan 6th didn’t happen.



My change in economic views has certainly had some impact on my willingness to vote for Democrats (particularly in local and state elections, where the roles those candidates fill have a relatively narrow scopes of responsibility and they wouldn't be influencing policy within areas where we disagree). The main factor in driving me to vote for Democrats at the federal level has far more to do with the Trumpist election denialism issue. If Trump hadn't gone down that route, I likely would have voted for him based on social policy (on which I often place more emphasis than economic policy, depending on the particular issue). My vote for Biden in 2020 was a rejection of Trump as a human being and as a leader, less because of policy disagreement.

So seems like our motivations for voting against a Republican candidate is still similar
Logged
TPIG
ThatConservativeGuy
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,993
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.13, S: 1.91


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #67 on: September 22, 2022, 03:30:39 PM »

Too sum it up quickly, I'll simply say my name used to match my username...

With a bit more detail, I used to be a hardcore advocate for laissez-faire economics and was almost libertarian with my approach to any sort of economic issue or matter of fiscal policy. Today, I still believe capitalism is the best economic system for creating a wealthy, prosperous society but also believe strongly in the need for an enlargened welfare state to ensure that the fruits of the capitalist system are able to benefit everyone.

Socially, I haven't changed a ton, except I now oppose the death penalty due to a deepening of my Catholic faith.

The biggest change obviously was with my approach to the GOP as a whole (I just recently saw a 2017 post of mine where I actually said I'd hold my nose and vote for Roy Moore over Doug Jones, if I were in Alabama Cry  Lips Sealed)  and Trump. I'm much less partisan now and, as lots of folks now, am willing to strongly condemn Trump and the GOP for things which I, at one point, tried to perform mental gymnastics in support of.

How much did in some ways your change in views on economics make you more willing to support democrats in general cause in 2017 you aligned basically with republicans on all the major issues so that probably made switching over to the democrats harder .

Now that you agree more with democrats on economics than republicans, I would say that may have even led you to become relatively more of a swing voter even if Trump conceded like a normal candidate and Jan 6th didn’t happen.



My change in economic views has certainly had some impact on my willingness to vote for Democrats (particularly in local and state elections, where the roles those candidates fill have a relatively narrow scopes of responsibility and they wouldn't be influencing policy within areas where we disagree). The main factor in driving me to vote for Democrats at the federal level has far more to do with the Trumpist election denialism issue. If Trump hadn't gone down that route, I likely would have voted for him based on social policy (on which I often place more emphasis than economic policy, depending on the particular issue). My vote for Biden in 2020 was a rejection of Trump as a human being and as a leader, less because of policy disagreement.

So seems like our motivations for voting against a Republican candidate is still similar

Very much so! There's a reason I'll happily give my vote to Brian Kemp but would have likely voted Stacey if David Perdue was the nominee (thank God that didn't have to happen). I don't think Perdue believed the election conspiracism, but his willingness to embrace it for Trump's support was disqualifying for me.
Logged
OSR stands with Israel
Computer89
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 45,319


Political Matrix
E: 3.42, S: 2.61

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #68 on: September 22, 2022, 03:47:52 PM »

Too sum it up quickly, I'll simply say my name used to match my username...

With a bit more detail, I used to be a hardcore advocate for laissez-faire economics and was almost libertarian with my approach to any sort of economic issue or matter of fiscal policy. Today, I still believe capitalism is the best economic system for creating a wealthy, prosperous society but also believe strongly in the need for an enlargened welfare state to ensure that the fruits of the capitalist system are able to benefit everyone.

Socially, I haven't changed a ton, except I now oppose the death penalty due to a deepening of my Catholic faith.

The biggest change obviously was with my approach to the GOP as a whole (I just recently saw a 2017 post of mine where I actually said I'd hold my nose and vote for Roy Moore over Doug Jones, if I were in Alabama Cry  Lips Sealed)  and Trump. I'm much less partisan now and, as lots of folks now, am willing to strongly condemn Trump and the GOP for things which I, at one point, tried to perform mental gymnastics in support of.

How much did in some ways your change in views on economics make you more willing to support democrats in general cause in 2017 you aligned basically with republicans on all the major issues so that probably made switching over to the democrats harder .

Now that you agree more with democrats on economics than republicans, I would say that may have even led you to become relatively more of a swing voter even if Trump conceded like a normal candidate and Jan 6th didn’t happen.



My change in economic views has certainly had some impact on my willingness to vote for Democrats (particularly in local and state elections, where the roles those candidates fill have a relatively narrow scopes of responsibility and they wouldn't be influencing policy within areas where we disagree). The main factor in driving me to vote for Democrats at the federal level has far more to do with the Trumpist election denialism issue. If Trump hadn't gone down that route, I likely would have voted for him based on social policy (on which I often place more emphasis than economic policy, depending on the particular issue). My vote for Biden in 2020 was a rejection of Trump as a human being and as a leader, less because of policy disagreement.

So seems like our motivations for voting against a Republican candidate is still similar

Very much so! There's a reason I'll happily give my vote to Brian Kemp but would have likely voted Stacey if David Perdue was the nominee (thank God that didn't have to happen). I don't think Perdue believed the election conspiracism, but his willingness to embrace it for Trump's support was disqualifying for me.


And btw doing it is even worse for Gubernatorial/Sec of State candidates given they have a lot of power over certification . It is insane that we let partisan officials in charge of certification of elections as that is a massive conflict of interest
Logged
Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden
Just Passion Through
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 45,485
Norway


P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #69 on: September 22, 2022, 05:13:44 PM »


Logged
Associate Justice PiT
PiT (The Physicist)
Atlas Politician
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 31,236
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #70 on: September 23, 2022, 10:57:41 AM »

     I started out as a moderate Republican, moved on to being an anarcho-capitalist, and have settled into being a Christian conservative. I could see myself crossing over from the upper-right to the upper-left quadrant in the next few years, but only time will tell.
Logged
Schiff for Senate
CentristRepublican
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,342
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #71 on: September 23, 2022, 01:31:11 PM »

To sum it up quickly, I'll simply say my name used to match my username...

With a bit more detail, I used to be a hardcore advocate for laissez-faire economics and was almost libertarian with my approach to any sort of economic issue or matter of fiscal policy. Today, I still believe capitalism is the best economic system for creating a wealthy, prosperous society but also believe strongly in the need for an enlargened welfare state to ensure that the fruits of the capitalist system are able to benefit everyone.

Socially, I haven't changed a ton, except I now oppose the death penalty due to a deepening of my Catholic faith.

The biggest change obviously was with my approach to the GOP as a whole (I just recently saw a 2017 post of mine where I actually said I'd hold my nose and vote for Roy Moore over Doug Jones, if I were in Alabama Cry  Lips Sealed)  and Trump. I'm much less partisan now and, as lots of folks now, am willing to strongly condemn Trump and the GOP for things which I, at one point, tried to perform mental gymnastics in support of.

Good to hear this. Sounds like you used to very similar to ER, but have now gotten more principle than 95% on the religious right.
Logged
Torie
Moderators
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 46,101
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -3.48, S: -4.70

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #72 on: September 23, 2022, 01:44:50 PM »

Yes, actually my mind has changed while drafting something (that is why it is good practice to put stuff in writing), but typically that was in my professional life, not here.

I had the question as written by the way.  Angel
Logged
BG-NY
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,524


Political Matrix
E: -1.23, S: 0.42

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #73 on: September 24, 2022, 07:30:23 PM »
« Edited: September 24, 2022, 09:32:53 PM by Moderate Independent »

I’ve moved right on taxes and budgets.

Have become increasingly pro-abortion.

Also, more federalist on a lot of issues.

EDIT: Also, I am basically ACAB nowadays.
Logged
Pages: 1 2 [3]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.251 seconds with 10 queries.