Would you accept a ban on all guns but handguns and shotguns for personal use?

[MiddleRoad]

Or is that still not enough for our left wing users?

[Leo]

Or is that still not enough for our left wing users?

Just a clarification.  What is the policy on rifles?

[TPIG]

Nope! Let's be far more rigorous about who can actually own firearms (universal background checks, mandatory waiting periods and safety training, and potentially a registry) but I see no reason to restrict what type of firearm that a well-adjusted, upstanding citizen should be able to own.

[MiddleRoad]

Or is that still not enough for our left wing users?

Just a clarification.  What is the policy on rifles?

Define a rifle. Are we talking about a classic hunting rifle or something like an AR15?

Because I’d limit the ownership of a classic hunting rifle to 1-2 per family, and ban assault rifles.

[The Undefeatable Debbie Stabenow]

Does this agreement preclude the possibility of restricting handgun/shotgun ownership (albeit not banning it) down the line? If so, I wouldn't accept this, no. I do support banning semi-automatic weapons, but ultimately such a ban would not address the vast majority of gun violence that is perpetrated in this country; reforms to ownership of handguns would be more impactful.

[MiddleRoad]

Does this agreement preclude the possibility of restricting handgun/shotgun ownership (albeit not banning it) down the line? If so, I wouldn't accept this, no. I do support banning semi-automatic weapons, but ultimately such a ban would not address the vast majority of gun violence that is perpetrated in this country; reforms to ownership of handguns would be more impactful.

Restrictions on:

-People convicted of domestic violence within a 20 year span
-People convicted of DWI within a 20 year span
-People convicted of violent misdemeanors within a 10 year period, and all convicted of violent felonies
-People judged by a licensed psychological professional to be a threat to themselves or others

[certified hummus supporter 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦]

Can I still have an arquebus or no?

[MiddleRoad]

Can I still have an arquebus or no?

So, I guess, nothing short of an outright ban on all firearms for you?

[emailking]

Limit 1 of each per adult and I'll accept.

[Pouring Rain and Blairing Music]

Seems comical not to allow basic hunting rifles (non-assault rifles)

[MiddleRoad]

Seems comical not to allow basic hunting rifles (non-assault rifles)

I said above those would be fine.

I don’t really see the point of assault rifle ownership, or automatic rifle ownership….

[MasterJedi]

Rather have a ban on guns but hunting rifles and shotguns available for just hunting.

[Leo]

Or is that still not enough for our left wing users?

Just a clarification.  What is the policy on rifles?

Define a rifle. Are we talking about a classic hunting rifle or something like an AR15?

Because I’d limit the ownership of a classic hunting rifle to 1-2 per family, and ban assault rifles.

Technically private individuals can own fully automatic machine guns and you haven't heard of anyone going and shooting up a school with one.

There is a middle ground between a gun store on every corner selling to every yahoo that strolls in and a complete ban.

You would need to allow some kind of ownership for hunting rifles and shotguns for hunting purposes.  I know a place that for some reason banned hunting.  They were overrun by wildlife in a few years and reinstated limited hunts.  Not smart.  Hunting license fees help with conservation efforts.

Honestly I would be fine with all kinds of guns including machine guns being legal if they were well regulated.

I would look at Switzerland and maybe our own machine gun laws to get ideas about how to regulate guns.  I would limit how many guns a person could own and I would register each gun and gun owner in a centralized database.

"The federal government knows exactly how many [machine guns] are out there and everybody who owns them," he told ABC News, adding that the background checks are extensive. "It takes anywhere from six months to two years to have the privilege granted to you to buy one."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/machine-gun-laws-us/story?id=50256580


Also I would improve the background check laws.

   The vast majority of background checks initiated to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) result in an almost instant verdict.
    While 96 percent of background checks are processed within 3 business days, hundreds of thousands will enter default proceed status every year.
    That means hundreds of thousands of guns can be sold without completed background checks.

https://www.bradyunited.org/legislation/enhanced-background-checks-act-hr-1446-charelston-loophole

No firearm should be sold without a completed background check and full registration of the weapon and person.  That is just crazy.

I would also limit who can own a gun.  If you have a rifle or shotgun for hunting then you would need to evidence that you actually do hunt.  If you are a marksman you would have to belong to a local gun club and actively shoot there.  Maybe require people to store their guns at the range permanently unless they are going to another range.

If you own a pistol then you would check it in and out when you used it at a shooting range.  Store it there permanently.

If you say you need a pistol for self defense you would need to prove it, like have a restraining order.  Or maybe be a Governor of Michigan or the like.  But not just I'm scared.

[Leo]

Does this agreement preclude the possibility of restricting handgun/shotgun ownership (albeit not banning it) down the line? If so, I wouldn't accept this, no. I do support banning semi-automatic weapons, but ultimately such a ban would not address the vast majority of gun violence that is perpetrated in this country; reforms to ownership of handguns would be more impactful.

Restrictions on:

-People convicted of domestic violence within a 20 year span
-People convicted of DWI within a 20 year span
-People convicted of violent misdemeanors within a 10 year period

I don't even think those are currently prohibitions on machine gun ownership and there haven't been any problems.  20 year old DWI?!  I think even if you got convicted of a second DWI a 20 year old DWI would have no bearing on your sentencing in many jurisdictions.  I mean check your local laws, but 20 years?!  Bruh, that's not how substance abuse works.

[MiddleRoad]

Does this agreement preclude the possibility of restricting handgun/shotgun ownership (albeit not banning it) down the line? If so, I wouldn't accept this, no. I do support banning semi-automatic weapons, but ultimately such a ban would not address the vast majority of gun violence that is perpetrated in this country; reforms to ownership of handguns would be more impactful.

Restrictions on:

-People convicted of domestic violence within a 20 year span
-People convicted of DWI within a 20 year span
-People convicted of violent misdemeanors within a 10 year period

I don't even think those are currently prohibitions on machine gun ownership and there haven't been any problems.  20 year old DWI?!  I think even if you got convicted of a second DWI a 20 year old DWI would have no bearing on your sentencing in many jurisdictions.  I mean check your local laws, but 20 years?!  Bruh, that's not how substance abuse works.

Putting a restriction on someone with a recent DWI is a good idea because irresponsible people shouldn’t own firearms. If you’re irresponsible enough to drive while intoxicated, you shouldn’t own a potentially life ending weapon.

[Santander]

Does this agreement preclude the possibility of restricting handgun/shotgun ownership (albeit not banning it) down the line? If so, I wouldn't accept this, no. I do support banning semi-automatic weapons, but ultimately such a ban would not address the vast majority of gun violence that is perpetrated in this country; reforms to ownership of handguns would be more impactful.

Restrictions on:

-People convicted of domestic violence within a 20 year span
-People convicted of DWI within a 20 year span
-People convicted of violent misdemeanors within a 10 year period

I don't even think those are currently prohibitions on machine gun ownership and there haven't been any problems.  20 year old DWI?!  I think even if you got convicted of a second DWI a 20 year old DWI would have no bearing on your sentencing in many jurisdictions.  I mean check your local laws, but 20 years?!  Bruh, that's not how substance abuse works.

Putting a restriction on someone with a recent DWI is a good idea because irresponsible people shouldn’t own firearms. If you’re irresponsible enough to drive while intoxicated, you shouldn’t own a potentially life ending weapon.

20 years is recent?...

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Or is that still not enough for our left wing users?

It's look at the problem from the wrong angle.

To save myself a lot of typing, why would you want to keep these legal:



While banning this?



How about if instead of putting a lot of effort into straw men, we just start by banning the weapons that are really good at mass murder, and not particularly needed for anything else.

[ProudModerate2]

Or is that still not enough for our left wing users?

It's look at the problem from the wrong angle.

To save myself a lot of typing, why would you want to keep these legal:



While banning this?



How about if instead of putting a lot of effort into straw men, we just start by banning the weapons that are really good at mass murder, and not particularly needed for anything else.

Runeghost,
Tell me more about the last image you posted. (Looks like a .30-06 ish rifle.)

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

While banning this?



How about if instead of putting a lot of effort into straw men, we just start by banning the weapons that are really good at mass murder, and not particularly needed for anything else.

Runeghost,
Tell me more about the last image you posted. (Looks like a .30-06 ish rifle.)

Its what came up when I googled for Sears & Roebuck .22 single-shot bolt action rifle. Link says it's a J.C. Higgins  model 41.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am going to go with no.

The state should not have a monopoly on serious firepower. They cannot be trusted to use it when necessary and not use it when they shouldn't anyway.

[S019]

I mean yes, but I feel like excluding handguns is a big issue given how much they're used in gun violence.

[ProudModerate2]

https://us.cnn.com/videos/us/2022/06/07/michigan-12-year-old-robs-gas-station-orig-jc.cnn

Watch video link above.
Reason# 4,627,934 on why we need more control over public use of guns.

Video shows a 12-year-old robbing a gas station, firing gun into the ceiling of the store like it's normal behavior, and shows no fear of what he is doing.
12 years old ! ... Asolutely f***ing incredible.

[T'Chenka]

https://us.cnn.com/videos/us/2022/06/07/michigan-12-year-old-robs-gas-station-orig-jc.cnn

Watch video link above.
Reason# 4,627,934 on why we need more control over public use of guns.

Video shows a 12-year-old robbing a gas station, firing gun into the ceiling of the store like it's normal behavior, and shows no fear of what he is doing.
12 years old ! ... Asolutely f***ing incredible.

"Greatest country in the world and a role model for other nations".

[emailking]

Glad they got him.

[BG-NY]

I honestly don't care about guns much. Maybe I am a lame Northeasterner. But here are my questions for ban advocates:

(1) If legal guns are banned, how will ILLEGAL guns be taken off the street?
(2) What would the concession be to the right in exchange for this ban?