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« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2022, 06:02:33 PM »

Let Mexico have everything outside the Northeast.

So you have been to South of The Border on I-95?
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« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2022, 06:26:38 PM »

If I were either starting from the beginning or had the power to wipe out memories I'd get rid of all the American myths. (Rugged individualism, Manifest Destiny, American Exceptionalism,  Calvinist morality...)

I think American myths are at the heart of most of the problems with the United States, not just the selfishness and the celebration of stupidity but also such things as absolutism including (or especially) zero tolerance.

I believe that when we were first forging this new frontier, we needed those qualities you mention, especially rugged individualism. Now, we are living in a new world and new norms are required. The new frontier is more people-oriented, socially friendly, and efficient in modern technology. I think we need to focus on that.

Oh sure, there is a reality to the notion of 'rugged individualsm' as well, especially prior to the founding of the United States and the early era of the U.S.

The 'myth' is that all of the forging of the new frontier was done entirely by these 'rugged' individuals themselves.  I certainly don't dispute that farming/ranching now as then is very hard work and that successful farmers and ranchers are essentially self taught engineers, however, the government was involved in assisting Western expansion pretty early on.

1.The government divided the land into sections which was then given to the farmers.

2.It was the government that provided protection to the settlers from the natives.

3.Western expansion really took off with the construction of the railways:
from Wiki: A dramatic expansion in farming took place from 1860 to 1910. The number of farms tripled from 2.0 million in 1860 to 6.0 million in 1906. The number of people living on farms grew from about 10 million in 1860 to 22 million in 1880 to 31 million in 1905.

4.Not initially, but shortly before 1860, the government assisted in agricultural research: From wiki: In 1837, Henry Leavitt Ellsworth became Commissioner of Patents in the Department of State. He began collecting and distributing new varieties of seeds and plants through members of the Congress and local agricultural societies.

With the decline of the population of rural America, I argue that President Reagan, who played a cowboy in movies, metaphorically passed the torch of the 'rugged individualist' from farmers and ranchers to small business owners.

I think we got a sense of this about 10 years ago when there was the moral panic in some quarters when President Obama was (deliberately) misquoted over saying "you didn't build that."

This is where the myth of rugged individualism shows up in the American psyche. The outrage! that these small business owners weren't completely self-made, but that somehow their success was also assisted by governments.  

So, the myth of rugged individualism shows itself in terms of:
1.That successful people are completely self made and don't owe anybody else or society collectively anything in return.

2.That rugged individuals have common sense and intelligence well above the 'pointed headed' intellectuals and the so-called 'experts.'  This is part of the celebration of stupidity I mentioned.

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« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2022, 06:37:03 PM »

I don't think an institution that supports over three hundred million people ought to be burned to the ground. No matter what anyone's intentions are, that's arson on a societal scale.


If I could do one thing to try and fix America, it would be to get everyone to understand and live according to the Golden Rule:

Treat others as you would like others to treat you.

Do not treat others in ways that you would not like to be treated.

What you wish upon others, you wish upon yourself.



I think the failure to understand, or even try to live in accord with the Golden Rule is the fundamental failing of modern America, particularly among Republicans, whose currently politics, words and actions seem to be its direct antithesis. (Republicans demand better treatment from others than they give, constantly seek to abuse others and escape the consequences of their own actions, and in general act as though they lack empathy for anyone different from themselves.)

If that is the case, why are a lot of Republicans in public service fields (i.e: military, police, firefighter, EMS, church activism)

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« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2022, 06:43:22 PM »

I just thought about this today- we might actually get to "start over" in America soon! Isn't that exciting?
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« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2022, 08:16:52 PM »

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Have the Emirate of Granada colonize America instead of the a*glos
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Until we get a TARDIS up and running. This, unfortunately, is our only way of doing so.

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« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2022, 08:50:14 PM »

The national anthem should be changed as well.

I don't like it.
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« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2022, 08:52:38 PM »

The national anthem should be changed as well.

I don't like it.
This is a bronz posf
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« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2022, 09:03:35 PM »

The national anthem should be changed as well.

I don't like it.
This is a bronz posf

Just because I have an opinion does not mean that it is valid. The national anthem is outdated and should go. When segments of the country can't vibe with it, there's a problem.
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« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2022, 09:06:44 PM »

The national anthem should be changed as well.

I don't like it.
This is a bronz posf

Just because I have an opinion does not mean that it is valid. The national anthem is outdated and should go. When segments of the country can't vibe with it, there's a problem.

People who protest during the anthem mostly aren’t protesting the anthem. Jesus.
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« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2022, 09:29:49 PM »

The national anthem should be changed as well.

I don't like it.
This is a bronz posf
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« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2022, 09:55:04 PM »

Also, immigration needs to be more inspected. No more visa overstays, like the 9/11 hijackers. You gotta get out of the U.S. if you are on a visa for more than 1 year.

Immigration needs to be revamped. Period. Refugees as well.
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« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2022, 10:15:25 PM »

The national anthem should be changed as well.

I don't like it.
This is a bronz posf

I hate to say it, but bronz has a point

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« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2022, 06:55:25 AM »

The national anthem should be changed as well.

I don't like it.
True.  We should have Hail Columbia.
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« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2022, 07:10:56 AM »

Everyone should have mandatory lessons in Italian , and adopt italian American culture en masse.
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