Would you rather live in Phoenix or Las Vegas?

[Damocles]

I live in the Phoenix area. Also known as an oven.

[NOVA Green]

Personally would vote for Tucson in a heartbeat if it was a three-way poll.

Still, tough choice.

Only been to Vegas once and we were basically camped out on the strip all week based out of The Bellagio.

Still, my wife lived there for something like (3) years around Middle School, when the whole "Busing Issue" was going down.

Her school bus was pelted by rocks at one point when she is being bused to a school in North Las Vegas.

Another time her and her Mom are driving down the freeway and they see what appears to be a giant explosion in the distance...

There was an infamous mob hit put out on a rival in the '70s.

Still, suspect with my tendencies Las Vegas Metro might not be the best fit, since I can certainly see myself gambling way much more than I currently do while getting "free" well drinks watered down with ice, and tip the cocktail waitress $1 / drink while I pay the "penny slots".

Metro Phoenix I suspect might be a slightly healthier environment for me, despite the regular and random dust events which might cause me to go the emergency room for lack of oxygen, unless shutting down the AC systems (Which itself might become an issue in 110+ F degree weather.

Both cities have all sorts of nasty scorpions, which can and will occasionally invade your most intimate family rooms (Bedrooms, Bathrooms, etc...).

Voting Phoenix

NOVA

[PSOL]

Las Vegas outside the proximity to the strip has a ton of amenities nearby. Great scenic views, great Hawaiian food, ok downtown that's made better from the lack of tourists going downtown and not to the strip, and friendly people–all at a price that makes you feel like you stole something.

[NOVA Green]

Personally would vote for Tucson in a heartbeat if it was a three-way poll.

Still, tough choice.

Only been to Vegas once and we were basically camped out on the strip all week based out of The Bellagio.

Still, my wife lived there for something like (3) years around Middle School, when the whole "Busing Issue" was going down.

Her school bus was pelted by rocks at one point when she is being bused to a school in North Las Vegas.

Another time her and her Mom are driving down the freeway and they see what appears to be a giant explosion in the distance...

There was an infamous mob hit put out on a rival in the '70s.

Still, suspect with my tendencies Las Vegas Metro might not be the best fit, since I can certainly see myself gambling way much more than I currently do while getting "free" well drinks watered down with ice, and tip the cocktail waitress $1 / drink while I pay the "penny slots".

Metro Phoenix I suspect might be a slightly healthier environment for me, despite the regular and random dust events which might cause me to go the emergency room for lack of oxygen, unless shutting down the AC systems (Which itself might become an issue in 110+ F degree weather.

Both cities have all sorts of nasty scorpions, which can and will occasionally invade your most intimate family rooms (Bedrooms, Bathrooms, etc...).

Voting Phoenix

NOVA

So wife just recently came back from work, and asked her about the Mob car-bombing she witnessed way back, seems to align ...

https://themobmuseum.org/notable_names/tony-spilotro/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Spilotro

Pretty sure this jives...

[GregTheGreat657]

Of the two, I'd rather visit Vegas and live in Phoenix

[courts]

phoenix

[Del Tachi]

I guess Phoenix because it's a bigger, older city with more of a "main line" of rich UMC families I could be friends with.

But both Phoenix and Vegas are very alien and unappealing to me.  As I've said and Santander earlier alluded to, neither is a real city.

[Joe Republic]

Assuming I could live in North Las Vegas, a fair distance away from the Strip, then there.

Of all the places far enough away from the Strip, why NLV of all places?! 

[Joe Republic]

I hate both of these options, but at least Phoenix is a nominally normal city, as opposed to the inauthentic touristy nightmare that is Las Vegas.

You can very easily go several years living in Vegas without ever setting foot on the Strip.  Few locals do unless they more or less have to.  Do people living in NYC gauge their proximity to Times Square on whether they like living there or not?

[Joe Republic]

Assuming I could live in North Las Vegas, a fair distance away from the Strip, then there.

Fun fact I learned from a Joe Republic post one time. The strip is technically not even in the city of Vegas

Phoenix and Vegas have in common the condition of having a lot of suburban areas in the city proper and a lot of density or urban flash in neighboring municipalities or Glorious American Unincorporated Areas (the Strip is mainly in Paradise and Winchester; Metro Phoenix has Tempe, inner Scottsdale, etc).

I divided both cities in half in DRA, both have a half that's mainly Hispanic and the other half is majority white, suburban, and much less Dem.

PHX: https://davesredistricting.org/join/ce54da35-7758-4585-99e5-3ab8bfaf5ac6 Despite being only Biden +4.3, Biden received slightly more raw votes in the northern half then in the downtown half where he won 72%.

Without the city, AZ holds R at R+4.5 and Maricopa County is R+6.4.

LV: https://davesredistricting.org/join/dfe24d8f-a3b7-4937-b112-1aff0f3f0eff Biden receives considerably more votes in the white half then the 48% Hispanic half where he won 65%. However, Biden actually loses the white half by 2 points.

Because of North LV, Clark County without LV (D+8. barely votes to the right of LV city (D+10.6), and the state remains Biden without LV if only by 4165 votes (D+0.2).

If you walk up to a hundred residents at random all over metropolitan Clark county and ask them which city they live in, unless you picked somebody in NLV or Henderson, every single one of them will tell you "Las Vegas".  Not one of them will say, "oh actually I live in Paradise/Winchester/Spring Valley/unincorporated county area".  Very few of them even know that the city proper only covers downtown and the northwestern sprawl, let alone that it doesn't even include nearly all of the Strip.  Even people who had lived there for decades had no idea what I was talking about.

[bagelman]

Assuming I could live in North Las Vegas, a fair distance away from the Strip, then there.

Fun fact I learned from a Joe Republic post one time. The strip is technically not even in the city of Vegas

Phoenix and Vegas have in common the condition of having a lot of suburban areas in the city proper and a lot of density or urban flash in neighboring municipalities or Glorious American Unincorporated Areas (the Strip is mainly in Paradise and Winchester; Metro Phoenix has Tempe, inner Scottsdale, etc).

I divided both cities in half in DRA, both have a half that's mainly Hispanic and the other half is majority white, suburban, and much less Dem.

PHX: https://davesredistricting.org/join/ce54da35-7758-4585-99e5-3ab8bfaf5ac6 Despite being only Biden +4.3, Biden received slightly more raw votes in the northern half then in the downtown half where he won 72%.

Without the city, AZ holds R at R+4.5 and Maricopa County is R+6.4.

LV: https://davesredistricting.org/join/dfe24d8f-a3b7-4937-b112-1aff0f3f0eff Biden receives considerably more votes in the white half then the 48% Hispanic half where he won 65%. However, Biden actually loses the white half by 2 points.

Because of North LV, Clark County without LV (D+8. barely votes to the right of LV city (D+10.6), and the state remains Biden without LV if only by 4165 votes (D+0.2).

If you walk up to a hundred residents at random all over metropolitan Clark county and ask them which city they live in, unless you picked somebody in NLV or Henderson, every single one of them will tell you "Las Vegas".  Not one of them will say, "oh actually I live in Paradise/Winchester/Spring Valley/unincorporated county area".  Very few of them even know that the city proper only covers downtown and the northwestern sprawl, let alone that it doesn't even include nearly all of the Strip.  Even people who had lived there for decades had no idea what I was talking about.

Oh yea I don't deny that at all. That's the rule in many metros, especially in the sunbelt. Vegas is one of the best examples, but it's also quite true in the Texas triangle. But this being Atlas I'm sure the question refers to the city proper and I might as well map out the city proper for my own amusement rather then do anything productive or interesting.

[Donerail]

Las Vegas, and Nevada in general, is an underrated state and isn’t as much at risk of being desertified to being unlivable unlike Aridzona and Phoenix. I’m not risking living in an overpriced city experiencing  dust bowls.

Nevada is, uh, post-desertification at this point.

It’s near enough water sources to be appropriately pumped to from out of state.

That’s definitely not true. Las Vegas is near one water source, the Colorado (it’s already mostly drawn down its aquifer). Phoenix draws more water from the Salt than from the Colorado, and is entitled via the Compact to a much larger share of the Colorado. And the Compact matters because, even if geographically possible, pumping water across state lines... man. Not gonna happen.

[Cassandra]

Vegas cuz I'm a degenerate gambler, but really I'd better stay away from both these cities. I don't much like the desert anyways.

[PSOL]

Las Vegas, and Nevada in general, is an underrated state and isn’t as much at risk of being desertified to being unlivable unlike Aridzona and Phoenix. I’m not risking living in an overpriced city experiencing  dust bowls.

Nevada is, uh, post-desertification at this point.

It’s near enough water sources to be appropriately pumped to from out of state.

That’s definitely not true. Las Vegas is near one water source, the Colorado (it’s already mostly drawn down its aquifer). Phoenix draws more water from the Salt than from the Colorado, and is entitled via the Compact to a much larger share of the Colorado. And the Compact matters because, even if geographically possible, pumping water across state lines... man. Not gonna happen.

You assume that some words on a paper matter at the end of the day. Man...it don't.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

A Trump District in Phoenix, but not by much.