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« on: October 30, 2006, 12:32:40 PM »


.... not very "European?"

Interesting article.  Pretty lengthy, but it does give one perspective of the future of Europe considering all the emmigration by Muslims.

"The Rape of Europe"

The German author Henryk M. Broder recently told the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant (12 October) that young Europeans who love freedom, better emigrate. Europe as we know it will no longer exist 20 years from now. Whilst sitting on a terrace in Berlin, Broder pointed to the other customers and the passers-by and said melancholically: “We are watching the world of yesterday.”

Europe is turning Muslim. As Broder is sixty years old he is not going to emigrate himself. “I am too old,” he said. However, he urged young people to get out and “move to Australia or New Zealand. That is the only option they have if they want to avoid the plagues that will turn the old continent uninhabitable.”

Many Germans and Dutch, apparently, did not wait for Broder’s advice. The number of emigrants leaving the Netherlands and Germany has already surpassed the number of immigrants moving in. One does not have to be prophetic to predict, like Henryk Broder, that Europe is becoming Islamic. Just consider the demographics. The number of Muslims in contemporary Europe is estimated to be 50 million. It is expected to double in twenty years. By 2025, one third of all European children will be born to Muslim families. Today Mohammed is already the most popular name for new-born boys in Brussels, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and other major European cities.

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And, since StatesRights isn't here to quote this, I'll do it for him:

Van den Boogaard says that to him coping with the islamization of Europe is like “a process of mourning.” He is overwhelmed by a “feeling of sadness.” “I am not a warrior,” he says, “but who is? I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it.”
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2006, 01:05:32 PM »
« Edited: October 30, 2006, 01:08:22 PM by Bono »


.... not very "European?"

Interesting article.  Pretty lengthy, but it does give one perspective of the future of Europe considering all the emmigration by Muslims.

"The Rape of Europe"

The German author Henryk M. Broder recently told the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant (12 October) that young Europeans who love freedom, better emigrate.


Way ahead of you!
However, I'm much more worried about the ever tightening grip of the EU than about immigrants, tbh.
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2006, 02:22:19 PM »

Immigrants are not the problem failure to assimlate is the problem.
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2006, 03:22:26 PM »
« Edited: October 31, 2006, 05:37:43 AM by Old Europe »

Eh, after having read articles by Henryk Broder occasionally and having him even seen in talkshows on TV, I have to say that the main problem with him is that you can never tell when he's serious and when he's not.

Sometimes he is serious, sometimes he is half-joking, sometimes he is more or less serious, but highly polemic and deliberately exaggerating, sometimes it's just satire.

For example, some months ago he wrote an article titled "Turn Schleswig-Holstein over to the Jews!" (S-H is a state of Germany) in response to Ahmadinedjad's speeches, claiming that Ahmadinedjad's demands actually made sense. The fact that Broder is a) a Jew himself and b) considers him to be an ideological conservative, it's safe to assume that this article was meant as a satire. The Iranian government however took his suggestions seriously, praised Broder's proposals and even invited him to Iran. Wink

That said, it's probable that he doesn't really meant what he was saying according to this article porsted by MODU (or perhaps he did, you never know).
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2006, 03:35:58 PM »

Not mention that Broder is someone who likes to accuse other Jews he disagrees with of being anti-Semites or Hitler-like... and then he wages legal battles against them in court. At least this is what happened to Broder's former (Jewish) publisher. Wink

Sometimes he's funny, sometimes he's just annoying, and sometimes he's just acting like a jerk.
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2006, 04:05:08 PM »


.... not very "European?"

Interesting article.  Pretty lengthy, but it does give one perspective of the future of Europe considering all the emmigration by Muslims.

"The Rape of Europe"

The German author Henryk M. Broder recently told the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant (12 October) that young Europeans who love freedom, better emigrate. Europe as we know it will no longer exist 20 years from now. Whilst sitting on a terrace in Berlin, Broder pointed to the other customers and the passers-by and said melancholically: “We are watching the world of yesterday.”

Europe is turning Muslim. As Broder is sixty years old he is not going to emigrate himself. “I am too old,” he said. However, he urged young people to get out and “move to Australia or New Zealand. That is the only option they have if they want to avoid the plagues that will turn the old continent uninhabitable.”

Many Germans and Dutch, apparently, did not wait for Broder’s advice. The number of emigrants leaving the Netherlands and Germany has already surpassed the number of immigrants moving in. One does not have to be prophetic to predict, like Henryk Broder, that Europe is becoming Islamic. Just consider the demographics. The number of Muslims in contemporary Europe is estimated to be 50 million. It is expected to double in twenty years. By 2025, one third of all European children will be born to Muslim families. Today Mohammed is already the most popular name for new-born boys in Brussels, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and other major European cities.

What a load of horsesh**t.
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2006, 04:27:36 PM »

Immigrants are not the problem failure to assimlate is the problem.

They don't want to assimilate... at all.
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2006, 04:40:31 PM »

More ill-informed rubbish about how tEh eViL mUSliM hOrdEs are going to "take over" Europe within one/two/twenty/fifty/one hundred/five hundred/etc years.
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2006, 05:24:23 PM »

Bus making is going to be a really huge business by 2025, at the rate Muslims are burning them in France.
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2006, 05:25:21 PM »

Yes as we all know changes in population growth, immigration, and current demographic trends always stay the same. Right? That is the reason why I speak German as my native language and live in Die Vereinigten Staaten von Amerika because all those Germans who came over here usurped the country from the Anglo-Saxons and Germanicized Amerika.

Well whether or not this will happen it would make for a great novel. I could create a series based off the horrors of the left and the right. In the right's horrors I would have an America that is Spanish speaking and we've become like Brazil and I would have a Europe that is majority Muslim and Islamist. In the left wing horror we have an America that's become a theocracy and a Europe that has decended into neo-fascism.
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2006, 05:16:49 AM »

Yes as we all know changes in population growth, immigration, and current demographic trends always stay the same. Right? That is the reason why I speak German as my native language and live in Die Vereinigten Staaten von Amerika because all those Germans who came over here usurped the country from the Anglo-Saxons and Germanicized Amerika.

Well whether or not this will happen it would make for a great novel. I could create a series based off the horrors of the left and the right. In the right's horrors I would have an America that is Spanish speaking and we've become like Brazil and I would have a Europe that is majority Muslim and Islamist. In the left wing horror we have an America that's become a theocracy and a Europe that has decended into neo-fascism.

Grin Great pun, Colin. Hail to all the inhabitants of VSA.

On a more serious note, demographic trends are fairly clear in Denmark. Thanks to our Central Person Register (CPR) we know very accurately how many offsprings our immigrants have and the trend is very clear. 1th generation produce above the avarage (average around 1,8 children), 2nd generation the same as "native" Danes. All these articles about muslims taking over Europe is based on the asumption that their birth rate continues to be higher that average, this is a false asumption, easily falsified
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2006, 05:55:29 AM »

Many Germans and Dutch, apparently, did not wait for Broder’s advice. The number of emigrants leaving the Netherlands and Germany has already surpassed the number of immigrants moving in.
That is true. However, some remarks have to be made about this (at least about the Netherlands).

1. A lot of emigrants are foreign born, returning to their "homeland" (Turkey/Morocco/Surinam/etc). So they are remigrants actually.

2. A lot of emigrants move about 20 kilometres east or south, crossing the border to Germany or Belgium. Housing costs are considerably lower over there, while the language is the same (Belgium) or the dialect is the same (Germany).

3. Most other emigrants also move inside the European Union, either to cottages in France or Spain to retire, or to work for a couple of years in one of the major cities in the Union, and then returning to the Netherlands tp settle somewhere, get  married, start a family.
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2006, 06:59:13 AM »

Many Germans and Dutch, apparently, did not wait for Broder’s advice. The number of emigrants leaving the Netherlands and Germany has already surpassed the number of immigrants moving in.

People are not emigrating from Germany because there´s too much Immigration by Muslims. People are leaving Germany because they can´t find a job. TV-Shows like "Goodbye Germany !" or "My New Home Abroad" are jumping out of the earth like mushrooms here (Austria and Germany have joint TV-programmes). They are showing families moving to Canada, New Zealand, Australia, the US or even Paraguay (!) because with your retirement money you get in Eastern Germany you are living in Paraguay like a king.
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