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« on: December 10, 2021, 09:31:12 AM »
« edited: December 10, 2021, 10:24:11 AM by BigSerg »

This is not a good showing in your internal

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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2021, 10:15:09 AM »

Tilt D at very best.

Undecideds are still too high for a clearer picture. Aaand... it remains to be seen whether Fetterman can win the nomination and beat Lamb.
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2021, 10:16:06 AM »

Of course Fetterman is gonna win, this out to rest all the users doubting Fetterman, he is running with Josh Shapiro
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2021, 10:22:53 AM »

Tilt D at very best.

Undecideds are still too high for a clearer picture. Aaand... it remains to be seen whether Fetterman can win the nomination and beat Lamb.

Lol,Safe R. This is an internal poll
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2021, 10:35:05 AM »

As I have said many times Josh Shapiro will help Fetterman it's 336 days til Election
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2021, 10:54:27 AM »

Data for Progress is a trash D pollster with a 3.3% bias in favor of Democrats.  Oz is easily up by 3-4 points.  Its mostly Republicans sitting on the sidelines at the moment, as well as AAs that are going to stay home like they did in VA and NJ.  Data for Progress is making the same faulty assumptions they did in Virginia, where they erred by 10 points cause they underestimated Republicans, and lean right independent voters.  I'm throwing all D Pollsters utilizing internet panels and surveys until they start using better data that isn't based on 2014.  PA clearly has more active Republicans as demonstrated in 2020.

As far as I can tell from the information in this poll, and until I see better information, the PA GOP is already in the 47-48% range.  
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2021, 11:03:44 AM »

That is pretty terrible for an internal.
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2021, 11:21:59 AM »

Tilt D at very best.

Undecideds are still too high for a clearer picture. Aaand... it remains to be seen whether Fetterman can win the nomination and beat Lamb.
In what world, is this race tilt D..

Current environment.. borderline likely R.
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2021, 11:22:36 AM »


An internal?  I don't discount internal polls cause they can provide quality information.  Data for progress keeps illustrating an utterly fanciful 2014-style Democrat defense of states where Obama made considerable gains before Trump came into the picture.  lol.  

The bigger issue is Data For Progresses' 3.3D bias that often gives the D candidate a 6% swing from Republicans to the Democrats. They literally missed 2020 by 5.8% in PA, because they're an incompetent pollster that only got correct call cause it was a D year, but did worse than other D pollsters that aren't complete fraudsters due to their grave under-estimation of Trump voters.    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

FL, NC, AZ, IA, TX are just some of the states they missed by around 6 points.   https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/data-for-progress/
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2021, 11:23:10 AM »

Tilt D at very best.

Undecideds are still too high for a clearer picture. Aaand... it remains to be seen whether Fetterman can win the nomination and beat Lamb.
In what world, is this race tilt D..

Current environment.. borderline likely R.

They didbt poll the Gov race Josh Shapiro will pull Fetterman across
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2021, 11:29:47 AM »

This race is going to be close no matter what. Whether it's Lamb or Fetterman or whomever vs. Oz or Bartos or whomever...it's going to be within 3 points one way or the other.
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2021, 11:39:36 AM »

This race is going to be close no matter what. Whether it's Lamb or Fetterman or whomever vs. Oz or Bartos or whomever...it's going to be within 3 points one way or the other.

I think it's just like VA.  This is more likely a Republican win within the margin of error.  I'd totally agree with you if I hadn't seen this poll. 

Are undecided white moderate and conservative woman really not going to vote for Dr. Oz?  I'm both kidding and totally serious.  If I were running a capture to win back suburban house wives in PA, I couldn't think of better candidate other than Oprah.  lol
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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2021, 04:39:53 PM »

I'm not quite sure why people keep saying "in this environment". Pennsylvania tends to buck trends a bit. Just look at this year - the Democrat got within less than 1% of winning the state Supreme Court race.

The environment doesn't *help* Democrats of course, but it also doesn't necessarily kill off their chances either.
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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2021, 05:52:05 PM »

I'm not quite sure why people keep saying "in this environment". Pennsylvania tends to buck trends a bit. Just look at this year - the Democrat got within less than 1% of winning the state Supreme Court race.

The environment doesn't *help* Democrats of course, but it also doesn't necessarily kill off their chances either.

It's a Neutral Environment,  it's not an R wave the reason why they may take the H we don't know up to 6 Rs can be Redistricted out of Cali is we had 230 seats and we only have 221 seats

It's still a 278/291/304 BLUE WALL
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2021, 09:50:50 PM »

Oz hasn't been scrutinized yet, and as far as he being too far left, Fetterman he won Pittsburgh and it's suburbs as Lt Gov he isn't Kate McGinty, Toomey was afraid to face him, because he was struggling with Sestak in 2016, that's why Toomey retired
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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2021, 10:25:56 PM »

Scary proposition at best. Fetterman is way too far left for PA as a whole. His stance on the environment and guns would destroy the Commonwealth and no sane swing voter like myself can trust his stances on these things. He proports to be a "blue-collar" businessman/philanthropist/crime-stopper or whatever he claims, but Pennsylvanians can see right through that facade. He's a showman, plain and simple. Putting on a show for us with marijuana flags, etc. I've grown tired of that.
It is ironic you claim that Fetterman is a "showman" given that Donald Trump, who you supported twice in 2016/2020 should also be considered to be a "showman" and won Pennsylvania in 2016. Also, Conor Lamb, who you support has similar issues on climate change and gun control and every other candidate has similar positions on climate change and gun control.   

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« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2022, 08:01:46 PM »

His stance on the environment and guns would destroy the Commonwealth and no *sane* swing voter like myself can trust his stances on these things.
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2022, 04:14:02 PM »

Scary proposition at best. Fetterman is way too far left for PA as a whole. His stance on the environment and guns would destroy the Commonwealth and no sane swing voter like myself can trust his stances on these things. He proports to be a "blue-collar" businessman/philanthropist/crime-stopper or whatever he claims, but Pennsylvanians can see right through that facade. He's a showman, plain and simple. Putting on a show for us with marijuana flags, etc. I've grown tired of that.
It is ironic you claim that Fetterman is a "showman" given that Donald Trump, who you supported twice in 2016/2020 should also be considered to be a "showman" and won Pennsylvania in 2016. Also, Conor Lamb, who you support has similar issues on climate change and gun control and every other candidate has similar positions on climate change and gun control.   



Plus, this showman is running against (checks notes) "Dr. Oz". Roll Eyes

 And lol about fetterman not winning central Pennsylvania Pennsylvania. Like, what Democrat has outside of Dauphin and Centre counties since the mega-landslides of 2006?  Or anytime prior to that since Bob Casey won every county but one in his reelection bid?  If central PA has been hardcore Republican since  The 19th century
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