Man Arrested in Wales for Preaching Christianity

[Bono]

The statistical thing was the original topic. We were talking about aproximately how many people in the UK are christians. And anyways, I just used the Apostles Creed as an example, it was nothing set in stone.

ok, I understand now.

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correct me if I'm wrong in my assertion that you believe this--that you believe that after regeneration--being born again if you will, though I'm not a fan of this term--the christian is capable of avoid sinning completely. I believe that while the amount of sin is going to be decreased, and good works will be brought forth by faith, the saved person will still sin, and sin most serious and grieviously even, because of the weakness of the flesh. However, more than anything, the regenerate has the notion of his sin and the need for repentance.

Why take issue with the "born again" term when Jesus used it himself?

As far as being "capable of avoid sinning completely"...yes, I believe born-again Christians have the "capability" through the Holy Spirit to avoid any and every sin.  Does Christ set believers free or does he not?

But no one practices everything they preach or believe, and they will eventually choose to follow their own desires from time to time and will have to repent and come back to Christ.  But I do think it is quite possible to go 24 hours without sinning.  But each 24 hours brings a new day and we must crucify our flesh DAILY:

Luke 9:23 Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me."

1Cor 15:31 “I die every day—I mean that, brothers—just as surely as I glory over you in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

So, since we are still in the flesh, we have to deny it daily.

What I striking contrast to the message spoken by TV preachers who tell their audience everything in life will be peaches and cream if they just send in more money. 

I think the key passage here is:

13Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.
14For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.
15For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate.
16But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good.
17So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
18For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
19For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.
20But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
21I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.
22For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man,
23but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.
24Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?
25Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.  Romans 7:13-25 (All quotes from the New American Standard Bible[I finally dropped the KJV, you should be happy])

Some say here that Paul is only talking about the struggle of unbelievers. But before (Romans 6:1-7:12) he talks about the way he felt when he was an unbeliever, and says that back then he saw no spiritual problem with his life. Only when the Holy Spirit opened his eyes did he realize the sin within. paul is showing us two principles working here: the principle of righteousnessm which wants him to live a holy life, and the principle of sin. this when he is a believer.

This same conflict is also present in Paul's letter to the Galatians. In 5:16-17 he compares walking by the Spirit with carrying out the desires of the flesh.

  16. But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
  17. For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.

The Bible speaks elsewhere clearly against perfectionism:

8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us. 1 John 1:8-10

This shows us that believers still sin. Also Paul in his letter to the Philippians rules out any imagined moral perfection:

  12. Not that I have already obtained it, or have already become perfect, but I press on in order that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus.
  13. Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead,
  14. I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. Philippians 3:12-14

Usually, people who imagine themselves to be able to attain perfection in this life do so by adopting a low view of sin. This comes from a deficit view of the holiness of God. When the Isaiah saw the Sovereign King of Glory, he saw no moral perfection in himself,

    Isaiah 6:5 Then I said, "Woe is me, for I am ruined! Because I am a man of unclean lips, And I live among a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts."

None of this is to say we should not repent and endeavour to sin less, but simply to say that in this life it is not possible. I myself, even being saved, struggle a lot with sin--I am the first to admit this.

By the way, I completely agree with you about televangelists.

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Bono, I agree with everything you posted, I even agree that Rom 6:1 - 7:12 refers to life after receiving the Holy Spirit, so I am not sure you were trying to refute what I posted or are just merely agreeing with it.

My point was that it IS possible not to sin when you have the Holy Spirit, as the following verse that you posted points out:

Gal 5:16 "But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh."

Which is what Jesus himself stated, John 8:36 "So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."

Does that mean any born-again Christian will continuously choose to be free?  No, of course not, for "a dog returns to its vomit" (Pro 26:11; 2Pet 2:22).

As you can tell, I don't place any undue burdens on Christians, but neither do I wink at sin.  But it is possible to go 24 hours without sinning.  It is possible to lay your head down on your pillow at the end of the day knowing that for a brief period of time, you didn't fail.  But tomorrow will also bring another day and another chance to return to your vomit.

[afleitch]

It's not very cheerful to refer to ones life as 'vomit' :/

[Cubby]

Bono your thread title is misleading, he wasn't preaching Christianity, he was encouraging discrimination. Two lines from Leviticus Chapter 18 are not "Christianity".

Its sad that behavior like this is still seen in Britain.

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Bono your thread title is misleading, he wasn't preaching Christianity, he was encouraging discrimination. Two lines from Leviticus Chapter 18 are not "Christianity".

You mean these two verses from Leviticus?:

Lev 18:23 Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.

Lev 20:15  If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death.

I finally get your point: it would be “encouraging discrimination” for a Christian to preach these two verses!!!

Wisdom such as yours shouldn’t be hidden; rather, you should take a MagicMarker and travel across the country blotting out these two verses from every Christian’s bible so that they will stop “encouraging discrimination”.

[Bono]

Bono, I agree with everything you posted, I even agree that Rom 6:1 - 7:12 refers to life after receiving the Holy Spirit, so I am not sure you were trying to refute what I posted or are just merely agreeing with it.

My point was that it IS possible not to sin when you have the Holy Spirit, as the following verse that you posted points out:

Gal 5:16 "But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh."

Which is what Jesus himself stated, John 8:36 "So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."

Does that mean any born-again Christian will continuously choose to be free?  No, of course not, for "a dog returns to its vomit" (Pro 26:11; 2Pet 2:22).

As you can tell, I don't place any undue burdens on Christians, but neither do I wink at sin.  But it is possible to go 24 hours without sinning.  It is possible to lay your head down on your pillow at the end of the day knowing that for a brief period of time, you didn't fail.  But tomorrow will also bring another day and another chance to return to your vomit.

Probably--but does that really matter? it's just an arbitrary line. I coud say we can go without sinning for one minute, or one hour, or one week, or exactly 35 hours, 44 minutes and 27 seconds, but would it really matter? My point of contentin is that it's consistently impossible--except perhaps for someone being regenerated--or born again if you will--right on the deathbed, and even then I have my doubts--to avoid sin continually and never commit it after recieving the Holy Spirit? I say no, Holy Spirit or not. This is especially true of sins that merely involve thought.

By the way, you may want to reply to this thread: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=46585.15

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Probably--but does that really matter? it's just an arbitrary line. I coud say we can go without sinning for one minute, or one hour, or one week, or exactly 35 hours, 44 minutes and 27 seconds, but would it really matter?

Yeah, it matters, for if a Christian can't go without sinning for one minute, or even one hour, then maybe they didnt' meet the Christ I met.  And I am not saying that to be mean or judgmental, but you need to examine yourself to see whether or not you actually have control over your flesh.

And you need to reread Rom ch 6-8 again, for it speaks about becoming a slave to righteousness instead of being a slave to sin (chapter 6).  Chapter 7 speaks about the daily battle we face, but chapter 8 also state the required outcome of that battle: "For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God." (Rom 8:13)

You can NOT continuously live in the state described in chapter 7 and be saved, for then you would have overcome nothing.  Rather you have to take solution mentioned in Rom 7:25 and gain control over your flesh as described in Chapter 8.

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My point of contentin is that it's consistently impossible--except perhaps for someone being regenerated--or born again if you will--right on the deathbed, and even then I have my doubts--to avoid sin continually and never commit it after recieving the Holy Spirit? I say no, Holy Spirit or not. This is especially true of sins that merely involve thought.

Why would you doubt that someone receiving the Holy Spirit on their deathbed could not keep from sinning until death?

[Bono]

Yeah, it matters, for if a Christian can't go without sinning for one minute, or even one hour, then maybe they didnt' meet the Christ I met.  And I am not saying that to be mean or judgmental, but you need to examine yourself to see whether or not you actually have control over your flesh.

Is that a general you or a specific you?
Anyways, I never said I couldn't go for one minute or an hour without sinning. I just said that as a sinful homan, I experience struggles with sin.

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I don't see how that perfectionism is compatible with Paul's statement in Philippians 3:12-14 that he had no perfection, and with John's in 1 John 1:8-10 that if we claim to have no sin, we are make a liar of God. Of course I agree that the spirit will lead to an increasing santification, but that is not to say that people will not lapse for some time, or will suddenly be rid of all sinful impulses. That is simply not possible with our sinful bodies. We must strive to avoid sin and have that goal present in our minds, but knowing that being completely holy is impossible. To put in other words, the law is a way of life, not a way to life. When Paul syas that we are fre from the bondage of sin, he clearly doesn't mean that we have no sin, for he himself stated to the contrary several other times. We are free from the condemnation of sin demanded by God's justice. The law demands that sinners die, eternally and spiritually. But Jesus paid the price in place of his people. So believers are set free from the horrors of damnation which they deserve. We are also set free from the disposition that always inclines us away from honoring God. In our lost condition we are unable to do anything truly good. No unredeemed person is motivated by a love of the true God and directed to his glory. But in Christ we are set free from that evil master, and bound to a love for righteousness. We are made able to do truly good things for God's glory. But still not for our own merit. We never contribute to our redemption. Jesus alone does that.
However, while we are in one sense free, we are in one sense still bound--by the ongoing influence of sin in our lives.



When I am faced with despair for my own sin, I am best to keep in mind the words of Romans 8:28-39:

28And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.
29For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;
30and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
31What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?
32He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?
33Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies;
34who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
35Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36Just as it is written,
         "FOR YOUR SAKE WE ARE BEING PUT TO DEATH ALL DAY LONG;
         WE WERE CONSIDERED AS SHEEP TO BE SLAUGHTERED."
37But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us.
38For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,
39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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Why would you doubt that someone receiving the Holy Spirit on their deathbed could not keep from sinning until death?


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Well, depends on how long it would be before death I guess. If it wasn't much time, he probably wouldn't sin--though it is possible, of course.

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You can NOT continuously live in the state described in chapter 7 and be saved, for then you would have overcome nothing.  Rather you have to take the solution mentioned in Rom 7:25 and gain control over your flesh as described in Chapter 8.

I don't see how that perfectionism is compatible with Paul's statement in...
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How, exactly, is my statement "perfectionism"?

[Bono]

You can NOT continuously live in the state described in chapter 7 and be saved, for then you would have overcome nothing.  Rather you have to take the solution mentioned in Rom 7:25 and gain control over your flesh as described in Chapter 8.

I don't see how that perfectionism is compatible with Paul's statement in...

How, exactly, is my statement "perfectionism"?
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Your statemtn isn't. YOur doctrine is.

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Your statement isn't. Your doctrine is.

And I pray you tell me how I am supposed to respond to that.

[Bono]

Your statement isn't. Your doctrine is.

And I pray you tell me how I am supposed to respond to that.

Forget it. Call it what you want. By perfectionism I mean that doctrine that moral perfection is consistently attainable. That is more often than not--but not necesarily-- connected with legalism, that is, any attempt to rely on self-effort to either attain or maintain our justification before God.

1You foolish (A)Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ (B)was publicly portrayed as crucified?
2This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by (C)hearing with faith?
3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Galatians 3:1-3

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Forget it. Call it what you want. By perfectionism I mean that doctrine that moral perfection is consistently attainable. That is more often than not connected with legalism, that is, any attempt to rely on self-effort to either attain or maintain our justification before God.

Why exactly do you mean by "consistently attainable"?

Let's take the example of an alcoholic getting saved and receiving the Holy Spirit.

Do you believe he could live as a born-again Christian for another 50 years and not take another drink for the rest of his life?  I do.

Do you think he is going to constantly struggle the rest of his life with the temptation of have another drink?  I don't.  Rather I believe James 4:7, that through Christ we can hold up under temptation until the temptation leaves us, and therefore we 'overcome'.

Or do you think he can be cleansed by Christ and continue to get drunk each week of his life and still be saved?  I don't, for he never overcame.  You can't tell me that we can go back to the same sorry state Christ found us in and still be saved.

But can we stumble and still be saved?  Of course we can still be saved, for Christ died for our sins past present and future, and salvation means that you are moving towards perfection, not that you have already attained it.   Which is exactly what Paul was stating in the verse you posted:

“Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me.” (Phil 3:12)

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And I will say this again:  Rom 7:12-24 is NOT a picture of overcoming, it is NOT a picture of salvation, rather it is the reality of a losing battle WITHOUT the power of the Spirit (which is why the Spirit is not mentioned in Rom 7:12-24).  And the picture of the losing battle in Rom 7:12-24 is contrasted to the overcoming battle of Chapter 8.

So, we must realize, daily, the state of the battle (Rom 7:12-24), so that we daily crucify our flesh in order to attain the prize set before us. 

You cannot say that the picture painted in Rom 7:12-24 is a picture of overcoming, for it is not.  It is a picture of our minds losing the battle of will power and getting our butt kicked by sin.  It is not a picture of control.  It is a picture of being out of control.

And if I wake up tomorrow and forget to crucify my flesh and forget to cast down my vain imaginations, then I am soon going to find myself back to Rom 7:12-24. 

And when I do find myself back in the state of Rom 7:12-24, was it because the flesh was stronger than the Spirit?  No, I simply chose to obey my flesh instead of obeying the Spirit, even though it was in my power to keep in step with the Spirit.

Failure is NOT a foregone conclusion, rather it is an option:

1Pet 5:9-10 Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings. And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast.

1Cor 1:10-13 No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

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When I am faced with despair for my own sin, I am best to keep in mind the words of Romans 8:28-39:

28And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.
29For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son

Being “conformed into his image” is what is being mentioned in Rom 8, not Rom 7:12-24. 

I say this because it sounds like during the times when you’re in the state of Rom 7:12-24, you are comforting yourself with 8:28-39.  If so, that is incorrect.

Rather Rom 8:28-39 is a promise to those who suffer with Christ in the process of overcoming (see continuing context of 8:17).  It is not a promise to those who do not move beyond the point of Rom 7.

If anyone wants to get beyond Rom 7, they have to repent and use the gift of the Spirit in order to start stringing some victories together, then you can take comfort from Rom 8:28-39.

Luke 10:19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.

Rev 21:7 He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son.

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My statements do not reflect a doctrine attaining perfection in this life, but they do reflect a doctrine of victory in this life through faith in Jesus Christ!

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Bono,

I am not going to be able to post for a while.  Work is about to get very busy.  So I'll leave you with the last word.

Take care and may God bless you.

[Bono]

I think the problem here is that you have a very low view of what constitutes sin. if you take sin to be the mere very visible, outward acts of drunkeness, stealing, etc, then  I can perfectly agree with you that it is possible to overcome them. However, I think sin is much more than that. Now for this we have to define sin.
I believe that the law is composed of three different sets of rules--one moral law, one judicial law, and one cerimonial law. I believe the cerimonial law is now abrogated under the New Testament and that the judicial law expired together with the State of that people. However, the moral law binds all forever, justified or not, to its obedience:

Romans 13:8Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for (A)he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9For this, "(B)YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "(C)YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."10Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore (D)love is the fulfillment of the law.
 
1 John 2:3(A)By this we know that we have come to (B)know Him, if we (C)keep His commandments.4The one who says, "(D)I have come to (E)know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a (F)liar, and (G)the truth is not in him;5but whoever (H)keeps His word, in him the (I)love of God has truly been perfected (J)By this we know that we are in Him:6the one who says he (K)abides in Him (L)ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.7(M)Beloved, I am (N)not writing a new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had (O)from the beginning; the old commandment is the word which you have heard.8On the other hand, I am writing (P)a new commandment to you, which is true in Him and in you, because (Q)the darkness is passing away and (R)the true Light is already shining.

The gospel does not dissolve, but rather strengthens this obligation:

Matthew 5: 17"Do not think that I came to abolish the (A)Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.18"For truly I say to you, (B)until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least (C)in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Romans 3:31Do we then nullify the Law through faith? (A)May it never be! On the contrary, we (B)establish the Law.

I do not mean by this that we are justified under the law, but that we should follow it as a set of infallible moral rules.

Now that it is established where we can look for to define sin, let us turn to the practical aplications of this:
For there not to be any sin, we must be perfect in our obedience to the law--the soul must be perfectly pure and entirely without sin. This because the law requires not only actual moral perfection, but habitual as well. IF you can achieve this perfection, to be cleansed of all impurity, then you have answered a question posited by Solomon in a way that no one ever was, "9(A)Who can say, "I have cleansed my heart,I am pure from my sin"?" (Proverbs 20:9).
You must also obey the law broadly, internally and externally. In their totallity. A vain thought, or idle word, and there is sin. for we are required, "And He said to him, " '(A)YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'" (Matthew 22:37). If any of the degree of love expresed there is lacking for one second, if each part of your obedience be not brought up to the greatest height commanded, that want is a sin.

James 2:10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet (A)stumbles in one point, he has become (B)guilty of all.11For He who said, "(C)DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," also said, "(D)DO NOT COMMIT MURDER." Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

Now this is not to deny the regeneration on those saved. On the contrary, I  declare that upon regeneration, the elect are sanctified, really and personally, through the virtue of Christ's death and resurrection,by His Word and Spirit dwelling in them: the dominion of the whole body of sin is destroyed, and the lusts of the body are more and more weakened and mortified; and they become more and more quickened and strengthened in all saving graces. This santification is gradual and on an upward trend, but there may be stumblings. However, in this life it must be imperfect:

1 John 1:10(A)If we say that we have not sinned, we (B)make Him a liar and (C)His word is not in us.

James 3:2For we all (A)stumble in many ways (B)If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a (C)perfect man, able to (D)bridle the whole body as well.

Ecclesiastes 7:20Indeed, (A)there is not a righteous man on earth who continually does good and who never sins.

Galatians 5:17For (A)the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, (B)so that you may not do the things that you please.

Philippians 3:12Not that I have already (A)obtained it or have already (B)become perfect, but I press on so that I may (C)lay hold of that for which also I (D)was laid hold of by (E)Christ Jesus.

Romans 7:18For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my (AH)flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. 19For (AI)the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.20But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, (AJ)I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.21I find then (AK)the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.22For I joyfully concur with the law of God in (AL)the inner man,23but I see (AM)a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the (AN)law of my mind and making me a prisoner of (AO)the law of sin which is in my members.24Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from (AP)the body of this (AQ)death?

I bolded that verse becuse it is very important for the point I am going to make. Paul imputes the sin which is still present in the regenerated on the sinful flesh, which conflicts with the regenerated soul. This sets the field for the victory against sin--which I believe will happen at the last day when we are given incorruptible bodies. There and only there will we be able to fully avoid sin, and through the Spirit, finally triumph over it:

Ephesians 4:13until we all attain to (A)the unity of the faith, and of the (B)knowledge of the Son of God, to a (C)mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the (D)fullness of Christ.

Hebrews 12:23to the general assembly and (A)church of the firstborn who (B)are enrolled in heaven, and to God, (C)the Judge of all, and to the (D)spirits of the righteous made perfect,

1 John 3:2(A)Beloved, now we are (B)children of God, and (C)it has not appeared as yet what we will be We know that when He (D)appears, we will be (E)like Him, because we will (F)see Him just as He is.

Jude 1:24(A)Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to (B)make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with (C)great joy,


Peace, and Soli Deo Gloria.