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« on: April 30, 2021, 09:55:03 AM »

This article says it’s unlikely to be overruled. Does it get overruled or not? Who would write the majority opinion?
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2021, 11:48:15 AM »

They're not exactly the biggest fans of stare decisis, so I could see it happening.
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2021, 01:14:07 PM »
« Edited: April 30, 2021, 01:18:40 PM by ERM64man »

They're not exactly the biggest fans of stare decisis, so I could see it happening.
5-4 decision with Roberts dissenting?
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2021, 01:15:55 PM »

They're not exactly the biggest fans of stare decisis, so I could see it happening.
5-4 decision with Roberts dissenting?

I don't know, but Roberts does actually believe in stare decis so he would probably dissent. I can imagine Thomas and Alito overturning.

Also, your hatred of Alito is ironic on Atlas. His father drew congressional districts for New Jersey.
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2021, 01:18:17 PM »

They're not exactly the biggest fans of stare decisis, so I could see it happening.
5-4 decision with Roberts dissenting?

I don't know, but Roberts does actually believe in stare decis so he would probably dissent. I can imagine Thomas and Alito overturning.

Also, your hatred of Alito is ironic on Atlas. His father drew congressional districts for New Jersey.
Gorsuch writes majority opinion assigned by Thomas? Do Barrett and Kavanaugh support overturning it?
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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2021, 01:37:51 PM »

They're not exactly the biggest fans of stare decisis, so I could see it happening.
5-4 decision with Roberts dissenting?

I don't know, but Roberts does actually believe in stare decis so he would probably dissent. I can imagine Thomas and Alito overturning.

Also, your hatred of Alito is ironic on Atlas. His father drew congressional districts for New Jersey.
Gorsuch writes majority opinion assigned by Thomas? Do Barrett and Kavanaugh support overturning it?

How do Gorsuch's views on Chevron affect this?
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2021, 02:00:18 PM »

They're not exactly the biggest fans of stare decisis, so I could see it happening.
5-4 decision with Roberts dissenting?

I don't know, but Roberts does actually believe in stare decis so he would probably dissent. I can imagine Thomas and Alito overturning.

Also, your hatred of Alito is ironic on Atlas. His father drew congressional districts for New Jersey.
Gorsuch writes majority opinion assigned by Thomas? Do Barrett and Kavanaugh support overturning it?

How do Gorsuch's views on Chevron affect this?
He’s hostile to the regulatory state.
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2021, 02:02:25 PM »

They're not exactly the biggest fans of stare decisis, so I could see it happening.
5-4 decision with Roberts dissenting?

I don't know, but Roberts does actually believe in stare decis so he would probably dissent. I can imagine Thomas and Alito overturning.

Also, your hatred of Alito is ironic on Atlas. His father drew congressional districts for New Jersey.
Gorsuch writes majority opinion assigned by Thomas? Do Barrett and Kavanaugh support overturning it?

How do Gorsuch's views on Chevron affect this?
He’s hostile to the regulatory state.

And he doesn't much care for restraint or precedent from what I can tell. I could see him overturning it.
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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2021, 02:10:54 PM »

You wouldn't get a decision like Mass. v. EPA today but Roberts signaled in UARG that he accepted it — only Thomas joined Alito's concurrence stating the case was wrongly decided. You might see a case (like UARG) further limiting it.
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2021, 03:09:43 PM »
« Edited: April 30, 2021, 03:28:42 PM by ERM64man »

You wouldn't get a decision like Mass. v. EPA today but Roberts signaled in UARG that he accepted it — only Thomas joined Alito's concurrence stating the case was wrongly decided. You might see a case (like UARG) further limiting it.
Are Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett votes to overrule Mass. v. EPA?
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2021, 03:26:02 PM »

I do not believe it is wise to assume Kavanaugh would vote separately from Roberts.
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2021, 03:29:51 PM »

I do not believe it is wise to assume Kavanaugh would vote separately from Roberts.
You know that Kavanaugh has frequently voted separately from Roberts this term.
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2021, 03:33:29 PM »

I do not believe it is wise to assume Kavanaugh would vote separately from Roberts.
You know that Kavanaugh has frequently voted separately from Roberts this term.
You and I have very different definitions of frequently.
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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2021, 03:40:51 PM »

I do not believe it is wise to assume Kavanaugh would vote separately from Roberts.
You know that Kavanaugh has frequently voted separately from Roberts this term.
You and I have very different definitions of frequently.
Kavanaugh and Roberts have voted separately three times this term. Already more times than Roberts dissented last term.
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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2021, 04:07:04 PM »

I do not believe it is wise to assume Kavanaugh would vote separately from Roberts.
You know that Kavanaugh has frequently voted separately from Roberts this term.
You and I have very different definitions of frequently.
Kavanaugh and Roberts have voted separately three times this term. Already more times than Roberts dissented last term.

What kind of benchmark is that? We all know Roberts likes being in the majority and last term he had nearly unlimited ability to ensure that.
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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2021, 04:08:42 PM »

I do not believe it is wise to assume Kavanaugh would vote separately from Roberts.
You know that Kavanaugh has frequently voted separately from Roberts this term.
You and I have very different definitions of frequently.
Kavanaugh and Roberts have voted separately three times this term. Already more times than Roberts dissented last term.

What kind of benchmark is that? We all know Roberts likes being in the majority and last term he had nearly unlimited ability to ensure that.
He obviously doesn’t have that ability anymore.
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