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« Reply #75 on: August 21, 2006, 06:57:05 AM »

Well, suppose the company says to the government, "Okay, search away," or even "Slip me some bucks, and then search away?"
Again, it would depend on the terms of the lease. If the tenant agrees that his landlord may permit the government to search the home at any time without a warrant, then the tenant has effectively signed a waiver of his Fourth Amendment rights.
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« Reply #76 on: August 21, 2006, 01:46:11 PM »

Oklahoma City was also a possible Al Qaeda sponsered attack.
You slay me man. Smiley

The truth makes you laugh?
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« Reply #77 on: August 21, 2006, 01:50:55 PM »


You do realize that if you told a counterterrorism expert within the United States government that Al Qaeda was involved in Oklahoma City, they'd call you a complete moron, right?
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« Reply #78 on: August 21, 2006, 01:54:22 PM »


You do realize that if you told a counterterrorism expert within the United States government that Al Qaeda was involved in Oklahoma City, they'd call you a complete moron, right?

Why was Timothy McVeigh in the Philippines? And how do YOU know what a  counterterrorism "expert" would say?
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« Reply #79 on: August 21, 2006, 02:04:08 PM »
« Edited: August 21, 2006, 02:06:12 PM by Boris »


You do realize that if you told a counterterrorism expert within the United States government that Al Qaeda was involved in Oklahoma City, they'd call you a complete moron, right?

Why was Timothy McVeigh in the Philippines? And how do YOU know what a  counterterrorism "expert" would say?

Because if Al Qaeda was involved in Oklahoma City, proof a connection would've been found by now, and Bin Laden or someone else within the Al Qaeda organization would've been indicted already. You have no evidence to suggest that Al Qaeda was involved in Oklahoma City, only your various links from crappy, unreliable, and uncredible sources. Any such alleged involvement of Al Qaeda or another Islamic Terrorist Group is pure speculation, and is no more true than the various conspiracy theories that state that 9/11 was planned and executed by the United States government.

Likewise, I believe that it was Terry Nichols, not Timothy McVeigh, that frequented the Philippines (maybe I'm wrong, but I vaguely remember reading this somewhere). Is it possible that Nichols could've gotten help on building the bomb from various Islamic Terrorist Groups within the Philippines? Of course. But, there is no strong evidence to prove this, and until there is, please do not go around parading your fantasies as the truth.
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« Reply #80 on: August 21, 2006, 02:13:25 PM »

Meh, you're like a 13 year old leftist, what do you really know anyway? I don't put much credibility into what fools like you say anyways.
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« Reply #81 on: August 21, 2006, 02:20:29 PM »

Meh, you're like a 13 year old leftist, what do you really know anyway? I don't put much credibility into what fools like you say anyways.

that's always a good way to win an argument.
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« Reply #82 on: August 21, 2006, 02:26:19 PM »

Meh, you're like a 13 year old leftist, what do you really know anyway? I don't put much credibility into what fools like you say anyways.

that's always a good way to win an argument.

hahaha . . . I was thinking the same thing.  Smiley  I agree with States to some extent:  We don't know if McVeigh was working for someone else or not.  My money is that he wasn't, but there is always a chance that he was.  But to postulate who that person/organization was borders on conspiracy theories, which I personally dislike.
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« Reply #83 on: August 21, 2006, 02:29:27 PM »

Meh, you're like a 13 year old leftist, what do you really know anyway? I don't put much credibility into what fools like you say anyways.

that's always a good way to win an argument.

hahaha . . . I was thinking the same thing.  Smiley  I agree with States to some extent:  We don't know if McVeigh was working for someone else or not.  My money is that he wasn't, but there is always a chance that he was.  But to postulate who that person/organization was borders on conspiracy theories, which I personally dislike.

Well, he was working with Terry Nichols, although I doubt that's what you meant by "someone else." Wink

And I was right; it was Nichols, not McVeigh, who visited the Philippines prior to the Oklahoma City bombing (If you want to offer a theory, States, at least get your names right). Nichols' [ex]-wife is Fillipino, which may explain it.
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« Reply #84 on: August 21, 2006, 02:59:27 PM »

Nichols' [ex]-wife is Fillipino, which may explain it.

It's always the woman's fault!  Hence the reason why I never married.  Wink  j/k
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« Reply #85 on: August 23, 2006, 04:26:47 PM »

Conflict of Interest Is Raised in N.S.A. Ruling

By ERIC LICHTBLAU
Published: August 23, 2006


WASHINGTON, Aug. 22 — The federal judge who ruled last week that President Bush’s eavesdropping program was unconstitutional is a trustee and an officer of a group that has given at least $125,000 to the American Civil Liberties Union in Michigan, a watchdog group said Tuesday.

The group, Judicial Watch, a conservative organization here that found the connection, said the link posed a possible conflict for the judge, Anna Diggs Taylor, and called for further investigation.

“The system relies on judges to exercise good judgment, and we need more information and more explanation about what the court’s involvement was in support of the A.C.L.U.,” said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, which gained attention in the 1990’s for ethics accusations against President Bill Clinton.

Three legal ethicists interviewed said although Judge Taylor’s role as a trustee for a supporter of the civil liberties group would not necessarily disqualify her from hearing the case, she should have probably disclosed the connection in court to avoid any appearance of a conflict.

“It certainly would have been prudent” to notify the parties in the case, including the Justice Department, about the issue, said Steven Lubet, a law professor at Northwestern University and an author of “Judicial Conduct and Ethics.”
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« Reply #86 on: August 23, 2006, 10:48:43 PM »

Well, suppose the company says to the government, "Okay, search away," or even "Slip me some bucks, and then search away?"
Again, it would depend on the terms of the lease. If the tenant agrees that his landlord may permit the government to search the home at any time without a warrant, then the tenant has effectively signed a waiver of his Fourth Amendment rights.

That is basically where we are with some phone records.
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« Reply #87 on: August 24, 2006, 12:37:53 AM »


A bought judge! Suprising. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #88 on: August 24, 2006, 05:56:22 AM »

States, you poor dope, this isn't a 'bought' judge, as there is no economic interest in supporting freedom and individual rights.

It may be a 'biased' judge, but not a bought one.  I for one, however, support judges biased in favour of freedom and individual rights, unlike you, fascst.
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« Reply #89 on: August 24, 2006, 04:21:40 PM »

States, you poor dope, this isn't a 'bought' judge, as there is no economic interest in supporting freedom and individual rights.

It may be a 'biased' judge, but not a bought one.  I for one, however, support judges biased in favour of freedom and individual rights, unlike you, fascst.

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