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« on: May 18, 2021, 01:54:55 PM »

Marocco has de facto opened the border amidst tensions with Spain.



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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2021, 02:39:14 PM »

I wonder how much taxpayer money is wasted "protecting" national borders
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2021, 02:53:49 PM »
« Edited: May 18, 2021, 05:48:49 PM by tack50 »

Yeah the situation in Ceuta is horrible as of now. 9000 people at least came in. Which is a ton considering Ceuta has only 85000 people. Allegedly around 2000 have been deported but that leaves a ton of people (including 1500 minors who can't be auto-deported)

This is a Moroccan reaction to Spain taking in the leader of the Polisario Front to the hospital on humanitarian reasons and a way for Morocco to exert pressure on Spain.
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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2021, 03:04:43 PM »

In an effort to mend ties, the Spanish government has approved a 30 million euro aid package to Morocco which shall be directed towards investment in border security.

Furthermore, while Brahim Ghali (the Polisario front leader) will remain on Spanish soil for now, a judge has ordered the reactivation of a case of human rights abuses against him. He will be questioned in court on 1 June.
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2021, 03:45:06 PM »

When Trump said countries "send" their people, he wasn't entirely wrong.
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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2021, 01:03:15 AM »

Ceuta has border checks with the rest of Spain though. Funny enough, Gibralter does not have border checks with mainland Spain.
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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2021, 03:48:41 AM »

In an effort to mend ties, the Spanish government has approved a 30 million euro aid package to Morocco which shall be directed towards investment in border security.

Did... did the Moroccan government just blackmail Spain?

Apologies if the comment seems out of place or ill informed. This is an issue I know very little about. But it does look a bit like that at first glance.
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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2021, 03:50:22 AM »

In an effort to mend ties, the Spanish government has approved a 30 million euro aid package to Morocco which shall be directed towards investment in border security.

Did... did the Moroccan government just blackmail Spain?

Apologies if the comment seems out of place or ill informed. This is an issue I know very little about. But it does look a bit like that at first glance.

I explained the situation on the Spanish politics thread, you can take a look.
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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2021, 04:10:40 AM »

In an effort to mend ties, the Spanish government has approved a 30 million euro aid package to Morocco which shall be directed towards investment in border security.

Did... did the Moroccan government just blackmail Spain?

Apologies if the comment seems out of place or ill informed. This is an issue I know very little about. But it does look a bit like that at first glance.

To sum it up yeah, this is basically Morocco blackmailing Spain. The Moroccan ambassador to Spain literally said that "Decisions have consequences" lmao
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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2021, 05:54:34 AM »

In an effort to mend ties, the Spanish government has approved a 30 million euro aid package to Morocco which shall be directed towards investment in border security.

Did... did the Moroccan government just blackmail Spain?

Apologies if the comment seems out of place or ill informed. This is an issue I know very little about. But it does look a bit like that at first glance.

To sum it up yeah, this is basically Morocco blackmailing Spain. The Moroccan ambassador to Spain literally said that "Decisions have consequences" lmao

Which is not, in itself, such a bad thing to say.
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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2021, 06:50:12 AM »

I wonder how much taxpayer money is wasted "protecting" national borders

Well, its actually more corrupt than that. You can start by visiting frontexfiles (https://frontexfiles.eu/en.html). The so called wonderful, progressive solution to the migrant crisis just created a behemoth of an agency ripe for military hardware specialists to scam the EU taxpayer via (of course) the EU policy revolving door meaning that they can lobby MEPs and EU officials to procure guns for obscene prices , such is the obscurity of the EU procurement processes for police and military hardware and personel.

In general, the whole issue suffers from principle-agent dilemma, which is that the Frontex and other border guard agencies, as well as countries like Morrocco essentially receiving bribes to cooperate know that they are getting funding because of the Migration issue remaining salient in
 European political discourse, so they have zero incentive to actually find solutions for it. Gotta keep that money tap of big EU note printer going ya know?

I don't want to hear right-wing gammons ever again complain about socialist governments spending too much money on welfare. There are more than enough cases of their favorite policy hobby horses like migration being a massive waste of money to deliberately not solve an issue but rather steadily control the flow of the issue. We could use a bit more stick and a bit less carrott for example, that's the "realist" approach to tackling a country like Morrocco , but far too many people stand to lose too much money. Hell the N-VA here in Belgium were caught smuggling illegals in the country. Thinking the political Right in Europe don't benefit from this entire narrative is naive. The sad thing is you get unhinged hicks in rural Austria who would vote Green but drink the Kool-Aid and think the criminal Kurz is the solution to their problems.  
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