Did the 2k checks fiasco cost the GOP the senate?
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« on: February 16, 2021, 07:37:06 PM »

The Ossoff-Perdue race was decided by 55k voters (1.22%)

The Warnock-Loeffler race was decided by 95 voters (2.08%)

Out of 4.5 million votes cast

I believe had McConnell passed the 2k checks the GOP would have won

I also believe had Trump never mentioned the 2k the GOP would also have won

Or maybe I'm wrong. Either way I'm happy

Thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2021, 07:47:53 PM »

I think it played a roll but it was one of many at work here.
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2021, 08:23:53 PM »

Yes, but Trump didn't propose it until after the Election, he could have won if he proposed it in the 1=9T package, but he pushed thru ACB nomination
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2021, 09:34:58 PM »

I think the whole "the election is rigged" messaging Trump put out had a bigger role.
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2021, 09:46:00 PM »

The polling swung by just the amounts needed to change the outcome as the 2k checks issue gained prominence. It's very plausible that at least Perdue would have narrowly won if it had gone differently, though you can also argue that the margins would have just been even closer. We'll never know.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2021, 11:50:43 PM »

I think this may have been the straw that broke the camel's back, but there were other contributing factors before hand:

-The Republican Party not adequately pushing the need to retain Senate control;
-Trump sycophants discouraging turnout among Republican voters;
-The two Georgia Republican candidates not adequately distancing themselves from Trump to retain support from suburbanites, not adequately addressing their insider trading baggage, and not holding their own against their opponents well enough.

If you take out even one of these factors, the Senate may still be in Republican hands right now.
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2021, 01:27:46 AM »

Trump's insistence that he won and would ultimately be re-inaugurated, and Lqeffler/Perdue also sticking to that false narrative, prevented anyone from even reminding the voters "hey, uh, the control of the Senate is at stake here..." since a 50-50 Senate would still be controlled by Republicans if Pence were VP.

I do think that had Trump conceded in early November and facilitated an orderly, peaceful transition like Ford, Carter, GHWB, and every other reelection loser did, they would have successfully made this argument as well as not angering centrists who might have otherwise wanted Biden to have a check on his power.
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2021, 10:30:53 AM »

I don't think you can reduce it to a single factor, but if you could it would be race. The GOP became increasingly antagonistic to Black voters, parroting at the highest levels insane conspiracy theories about how Atlanta's votes in the GE shouldn't have counted, with the icing on the cake being Kelly Loeffler calling the pastor from MLK's church a dangerous communist and terrorist. They thought racial polarization would help, because historically it did in Georgia. But there are just enough white people to be offended by dog-whistles now that it backfired. A serious warning for 2022 that I know the party of Lincoln won't take seriously
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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2021, 10:33:18 AM »

Can any of you describe someone who changed their mind because of stimulus checks?
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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2021, 10:35:59 AM »

Can any of you describe someone who changed their mind because of stimulus checks?

Obama-Trump Democrat disgusted by "the swamp" hoarding tax dollars against the president's will.
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2021, 11:39:58 AM »

Can any of you describe someone who changed their mind because of stimulus checks?
I don’t think it changed anyone’s mind but maybe more Democrats came out to vote and some republicans stayed home
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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2021, 11:53:49 AM »

Can any of you describe someone who changed their mind because of stimulus checks?
I don’t think it changed anyone’s mind but maybe more Democrats came out to vote and some republicans stayed home

Yeah, when I think of someone who turned out for Warnock and Ossoff because of the 2k checks I think of a low-propensity rural black, probably on the older side. Such a person may have voted for Trump in November due to his general improvement with older minorities, but definitely isn't a Republican base voter who flipped or anything like that.
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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2021, 07:12:42 PM »

I think the whole "the election is rigged" messaging Trump put out had a bigger role.

Yeah, spending 2 straight months before the runoffs actively delegitimizing elections in general - & Georgian elections in particular - & saying that his voters' votes didn't matter since it's rigged against them was really the Senate GOP's death from the thousand cuts because, as it turns out, his voters listened.
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2021, 01:07:20 PM »

Can any of you describe someone who changed their mind because of stimulus checks?

Polling shows a lot of momentum towards the Democrats around that time. Everyone wants free money.
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2021, 01:32:50 PM »

Trump didn't bother with passing 2K checks until after the Election he was so concerned about securing his own Reelection with ACB, that's why Trump and Rs lost the Prez and GA
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