The Sad, Unprincipled Political Shifting of Sen. Bob Casey (D-PA)

[Catholics vs. Convicts]

Bishop Barron said that it is morally permissible for American Catholics to vote for either Democrats or Republicans. A vote for a candidate of one party must be in spite of a morally unacceptable position they hold, not because of said unacceptable position. While abortion is arguably the most important issue as an American Catholic, trump's GOP being on the wrong side of basically every other issue by my estimation outweighs the Democrat's position on abortion.

From a Catholic perspective, what issues is Trump on the wrong side of?  Do these issues really rise to the level of importance abortion holds from a Catholic perspective?

Literally everything he does violates the Greatest Commandment. He puts himself above all else and despises and spits in the face of society's most vulnerable.

[beaver2.0]

Fuzzy, an honest question: Why can't a person identify as (personally) pro-life yet support abortion being legal?

It is not hard for me at all to imagine a libertarian style argument along the lines of "I'd never get an abortion and I think it is immoral to get one; but it is not the job of the state to regulate morality".

It’s been a while since you asked this but I honestly do not understand this view.  If you really believe abortion is the killing of a human being, I’m not sure how you could say it is not the duty of the state to enforce that rule.  I cant imagine anyone saying they personally disapprove of killing an infant but it it should not be outlawed.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Fuzzy, an honest question: Why can't a person identify as (personally) pro-life yet support abortion being legal?

It is not hard for me at all to imagine a libertarian style argument along the lines of "I'd never get an abortion and I think it is immoral to get one; but it is not the job of the state to regulate morality".

It’s been a while since you asked this but I honestly do not understand this view.  If you really believe abortion is the killing of a human being, I’m not sure how you could say it is not the duty of the state to enforce that rule.  I cant imagine anyone saying they personally disapprove of killing an infant but it it should not be outlawed.

Because the belief abortion is murder stems from believing life begins at conception which is a religious view many don’t share (including the government) so to outlaw abortion is forcing your religious views onto others

[beaver2.0]

Fuzzy, an honest question: Why can't a person identify as (personally) pro-life yet support abortion being legal?

It is not hard for me at all to imagine a libertarian style argument along the lines of "I'd never get an abortion and I think it is immoral to get one; but it is not the job of the state to regulate morality".

It’s been a while since you asked this but I honestly do not understand this view.  If you really believe abortion is the killing of a human being, I’m not sure how you could say it is not the duty of the state to enforce that rule.  I cant imagine anyone saying they personally disapprove of killing an infant but it it should not be outlawed.

Because the belief abortion is murder stems from believing life begins at conception which is a religious view many don’t share (including the government) so to outlaw abortion is forcing your religious views onto others

I see it as a moral viewpoint informed by religion.  For many people morality stems from religion but everyone’s decision-making is influenced by their morality.

Biologists seem to agree life begins at conception so it seems to me that both sides are arguing moral points.  On the one hand pro-lifers argue any sort of life should be protected while the pro-choices think life prior to birth is not fully formed and should not be protected.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

If being pro-life were tout court a religious review, pro-life atheists would not exist; as it stands, there very much are pro-life atheists, just not very many of them. A view being more common among religious (or among irreligious!) people can't really be said to present a First Amendment issue if that view informs legislation, otherwise we'd be unable to legislate any controversial issue without recourse to Pew polls.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Outlawing abortion is a violation of the Equal Protection Clause - the rights being violated being those of women, of course.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Casey also supports over-the-counter sale of emergency contraception.

If you want to prevent abortions, that sounds like a very common sense position.

[TJ in Oregon]

Outlawing abortion is a violation of the Equal Protection Clause - the rights being violated being those of women, of course.

I have no objection to ban abortions performed on men either. Indeed, many people have informed me this is now possible.

[Badger]

We don't care fuzzy. Go yammer about BLM or space aliens committing voter fraud.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

We don't care fuzzy. Tell Yammer about BLM or space aliens committing voter fraud.

Is this supposed to be Yellowhammer?

[Calthrina950]

We don't care fuzzy. Tell Yammer about BLM or space aliens committing voter fraud.

Is this supposed to be Yellowhammer?

I don't think so. Badger apparently uses a voice-to-text application, which scrambles his words up quite frequently.

[Reaganfan Democrat]

I would tend your own garden before calling out politicians for lacking principle.

[afleitch]

Outlawing abortion is a violation of the Equal Protection Clause - the rights being violated being those of women, of course.

I have no objection to ban abortions performed on men either. Indeed, many people have informed me this is now possible.

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See. You're learning

[Inmate Trump]

Fuzzy Bear, what’s your opinion of Trump pressuring Georgia’s Secretary of State to “find” votes in his favor?

[All Along The Watchtower]

Outlawing abortion is a violation of the Equal Protection Clause - the rights being violated being those of women, of course.

I have no objection to ban abortions performed on men either. Indeed, many people have informed me this is now possible.

Ok. Well you don’t have to get an abortion if you don’t want to.

[All Along The Watchtower]

If being pro-life were tout court a religious review, pro-life atheists would not exist; as it stands, there very much are pro-life atheists, just not very many of them. A view being more common among religious (or among irreligious!) people can't really be said to present a First Amendment issue if that view informs legislation, otherwise we'd be unable to legislate any controversial issue without recourse to Pew polls.

True enough.

[The Undefeatable Debbie Stabenow]

BREAKING NEWS: Politician gradually shifts their views as public opinion and their party evolve