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« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2020, 12:50:53 PM »


Yeah, it’s the easiest state to predict, Biden shouldn’t even contest.
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« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2020, 12:52:34 PM »

I wasn't joking, Strong-tilt-R = anywhere from Trump +0.8 to 2 points.
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« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2020, 12:57:32 PM »

Why are people worried about Trafalgar? Might as well worry about OAN polls at this point.
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« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2020, 01:23:41 PM »

Why are people worried about Trafalgar? Might as well worry about OAN polls at this point.

Due to fact there are blue avatars on this site, whom still want Trump to win, obviously
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« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2020, 01:29:20 PM »

+4 for Trump in 2016. So if Trafalgar has the same bias they did in 2016/18, Trump will at least get close to his 2016 performance, perhaps with a slightly different coalition.

Cahaly (who does the poll) just offered a bet of 10K (I think) to Nate Silver that his polls will be more accurate than the 538 models. Silver said he couldn't do it but also said he would bet MORE that he is better. Seems like both of them are too confident.
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« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2020, 01:31:30 PM »

+4 for Trump in 2016. So if Trafalgar has the same bias they did in 2016/18, Trump will at least get close to his 2016 performance, perhaps with a slightly different coalition.

Cahaly (who does the poll) just offered a bet of 10K (I think) to Nate Silver that his polls will be more accurate than the 538 models. Silver said he couldn't do it but also said he would bet MORE that he is better. Seems like both of them are too confident.

I'd bet on the one that doesn't admit to boosting the margins of their preferred candidate.
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« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2020, 01:54:17 PM »

Why anyone takes Trafalgar seriously at all after they admitted to adjusting their polls for the mythical “shy Trump voter effect,” I will never understand.
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« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2020, 01:57:29 PM »

Why anyone takes Trafalgar seriously at all after they admitted to adjusting their polls for the mythical “shy Trump voter effect,” I will never understand.
How do you get the truth from liars in a poll, anyways.
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« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2020, 02:06:31 PM »

I would really like the Trafalgar defenders to answer the following question: What do you think the current national Trump-Biden margin is?
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« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2020, 02:38:18 PM »

I would really like the Trafalgar defenders to answer the following question: What do you think the current national Trump-Biden margin is?
Biden +1-2 as of right now.
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« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2020, 02:46:16 PM »


There's no particularly kind way to say this: you are deluding yourself.
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« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2020, 02:47:28 PM »
« Edited: September 04, 2020, 03:00:34 PM by tagimaucia »

I would really like the Trafalgar defenders to answer the following question: What do you think the current national Trump-Biden margin is?
Biden +1-2 as of right now.

Thanks for answering. National polls were off by 1 point in 2016 and 1 point in 2018. I’m curious why you think they are likely off by 5 to 6 points right now.  Is the main reason that you believe this because the national polls conflict with Trafalgar (or Rasmussen) and you think those pollsters are more credible than all other pollsters combined?  Are there other reasons?  Is the “shy trump” voter hypothesis the underlying reason for this gap that you believe is there or are there other significant ones?
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« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2020, 02:49:32 PM »


There's no particularly kind way to say this: you are deluding yourself.

Oh come on, that was way too kind for him.
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« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2020, 04:35:08 PM »

Florida will be dead even.  Closest state on 11/3. 
This. I think Trump by half a point when all is said and done.
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« Reply #39 on: September 05, 2020, 02:21:43 AM »
« Edited: September 05, 2020, 02:40:06 AM by Hammy »

Average all the non-Trafalgar polls, average that number with Trafalgar, and that's about where Florida's at. Nobody's done well in the state for quite some time.
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