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« on: May 07, 2020, 11:20:59 AM »
« edited: May 30, 2020, 12:21:15 PM by lfromnj »

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6154909448001
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2020, 07:16:42 PM »

Yeah, upon further reading into the story from other sources, it’s pretty obvious this is a politically/money motivated expulsion more than anything else, no matter what the University of Queensland wants to say. Even if I don’t agree with much of the rabid anti-China sentiment on here, this is ridiculous. Especially considering the same student being expelled was attacked by a Pro-China group during a Hong Kong protest.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/16/university-of-queensland-takes-disciplinary-action-against-pro-hong-kong-student-activist
This just goes to show you how strong China is today in terms of influence, and why it’s in America’s interest to not neglect the rest of the World (Which gives China a spot to fill)
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2020, 02:04:18 AM »

God bless China.
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2020, 02:15:22 AM »

China has enormous soft power in Australia. Stuff like this is why we must keep an eye on East Asian affairs. We cannot afford a withdrawal from the region.
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2020, 08:48:44 AM »

China is grotesquely capitalist and nationalist, and it should be prevented from creating a mercantilist domain in the eastern hemisphere that would destroy any chance of power structures being peacefully overturned there
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2020, 12:21:43 PM »

China is grotesquely capitalist and nationalist, and it should be prevented from creating a mercantilist domain in the eastern hemisphere that would destroy any chance of power structures being peacefully overturned there
I believe you're supposed to use the (stupid) phrase "state capitalism", as they clearly are not capitalist.  What with the one party controlling the govt which controls most of the important industries, all the banks, all trade, all information, and on and on.
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2020, 03:08:51 PM »

China is grotesquely capitalist and nationalist, and it should be prevented from creating a mercantilist domain in the eastern hemisphere that would destroy any chance of power structures being peacefully overturned there
I believe you're supposed to use the (stupid) phrase "state capitalism", as they clearly are not capitalist.  What with the one party controlling the govt which controls most of the important industries, all the banks, all trade, all information, and on and on.

Do you think they set up an enormous export network and 1b1r for fun?
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2020, 06:14:53 PM »

lol at China being considered socialist. It’s a state running on an even worse version of the NEP for around 40 years, with the reestablishment of an exceedingly unfair Wage Labour system, the arrest of actual Socialist and domestic-supported trade unionists, and have had its party and military be filled with Chinese Nationalists and Liberals.

Anyway, on topic, this is only going to get far worse as another great game happens as the American Empire starts cracking. Only question is when the hot war will start, as no way any side is willing for cool heads to prevail.
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2020, 06:25:28 PM »


Unless you are an apolitical Han Chinese person, rooting for China is goofy at best, regardless of where on the political spectrum you reside
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2020, 04:34:07 AM »

What an utter disgrace. China's power over Australia is going too far, and the sooner someone goes after it, the better.
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2020, 04:39:32 AM »

What an utter disgrace. China's power over Australia is going too far, and the sooner someone goes after it, the better.
Australia needs to play its cards right and work to ensure it is able to maintain something in the leeway of freedom of action over the coming decades. I don't envy the situation Australia is in.


would you say this video has any inaccuracies?
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2020, 04:43:37 AM »


Unless you are an apolitical Han Chinese person, rooting for China is goofy at best, regardless of where on the political spectrum you reside
Not necessarily. Urutzizu is German, and Germany has a distinctly non-aligned attitude in the US v China divide. And no wonder: Germany relies on Chinese export markets and to a lesser extent US military protection.
The populace in general dislikes war and is suspicious of involvement in foreign wars. There were riots in Germany due to the new Red-Green government signing up for aiding the NATO intervention in 1999.
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2020, 10:28:49 PM »

What an utter disgrace. China's power over Australia is going too far, and the sooner someone goes after it, the better.
Australia needs to play its cards right and work to ensure it is able to maintain something in the leeway of freedom of action over the coming decades. I don't envy the situation Australia is in.


would you say this video has any inaccuracies?
As a guideline it honestly makes a lot of sense. It's pretty clear why Australia sucked up to China, and it admittedly is a tough problem to handle unless the CCP loses power. Which is very unlikely in the forseeable future.
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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2020, 02:39:53 PM »

China is grotesquely capitalist and nationalist, and it should be prevented from creating a mercantilist domain in the eastern hemisphere that would destroy any chance of power structures being peacefully overturned there
I believe you're supposed to use the (stupid) phrase "state capitalism", as they clearly are not capitalist.  What with the one party controlling the govt which controls most of the important industries, all the banks, all trade, all information, and on and on.

State capitalism is very definitely a thing.
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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2020, 04:02:03 PM »
« Edited: May 11, 2020, 05:58:17 PM by jaymichaud »

What an utter disgrace. China's power over Australia is going too far, and the sooner someone goes after it, the better.

It's just as bad here, too. A Tibetan student won the student council presidential election at the University of Toronto about 18 months ago and the backlash towards her from Chinese foreign students was literally insane. They signed petitions against her appointment that reached thousands of signatures, spammed her cell phone with CCP propaganda and music, called her a c*nt and a whore, threatened to shoot her, threatened to assault her, it was disgusting. Some sources pretty much confirmed that it was an astroturfed operation by Chinese diplomats as well.
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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2020, 08:31:00 PM »
« Edited: May 12, 2020, 12:25:19 PM by Meclazine »

What an utter disgrace. China's power over Australia is going too far, and the sooner someone goes after it, the better.
Australia needs to play its cards right and work to ensure it is able to maintain something in the leeway of freedom of action over the coming decades. I don't envy the situation Australia is in.


would you say this video has any inaccuracies?

Excellent video Tim. First class summary to be honest with only minor inconsistencies. The trip west across Australia historically to find gold is technically true, but not in the same manner of discovery of the country as the USA. The USA forged communities as it travelled west. Australia simply stayed in isolated capitals (6 not 5) on it's journey.

Today in Western Australia, farmers are now bracing for 80% tariffs on Barley exports to China as the Chinese regime have threatened retaliation if we call for a scientific investigation into the origins of the Corona-virus.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2020-05-11/wa-barley-farmers-stop-as-china-threatens-tariffs/12234548

We really cannot afford to lose their trade for our exports.

There is a rally at the community level to ditch Chinese manufactured goods all over Facebook with great numbers. Pages like this one springing from nowhere:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/455372111839513/

https://www.facebook.com/129086560531063/posts/2770678736371819/?d=null&vh=e

A little nationalist movement to support Australian business is actually vital for our economy should China turn nasty with export restrictions and essentially, blackmail.

But China does this to many countries, especially in Africa.
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« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2020, 09:05:38 PM »

Particularly disgraceful given the diplomat who praised the violent counter protestors at UQ last July was later given an honorary professorship at the uni
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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2020, 05:31:58 AM »

Chinese threats against Australia are now being enacted economically:

https://7news.com.au/travel/coronavirus/china-vs-australia-tension-escalates-as-new-ban-imposed-c-1031838

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-28/government-calls-chinese-ambassador-boycott-coronavirus-inquiry/12191984

A ban on some abattoir imports as promised.
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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2020, 12:20:56 PM »

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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2020, 01:54:08 PM »

Good, racism should not be tolerated.
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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2020, 02:20:12 PM »
« Edited: May 30, 2020, 02:23:13 PM by Trends are real, and I f**king hate it »

For Years leftists complain that we have to listen to the same old right-wing talking points around "well everytime soshulism was tried it was a catastrophe and people starved" and have to resort to intellectually dishonest goal post shifting along the lines of "that wasn't real socialism, real socialism has never been tried".

Then finally heaven gifts us a non-white country, that manages to lift more people out of poverty faster than any capitalist country ever could, thanks to an economic model with unprecedented state participation in the economy of any successful society, that is not only ascending to becoming the worlds most powerful nation and breaking the US stranglehold over the globe, but able to export it's Ideology in a way no socialist society until now was ever able too, and that has actually managed to overcome neoliberalism's exclusive persuit of the profit motive, with critical sectors of Chinese industry, Huawei being the best example, now acting in first instance not for their shareholders but in the uncompromising persuit and loyality to China's national interest.
And what do Trots do? They repudiate it and brandish the most successful socialist society "capitalist" and proceed with continuing to run the train into the wall for the rest of time. Smh.

...................wow

Please kindly f**k off from the left, you depraved bootlicking sycophant.
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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2020, 11:03:42 PM »

Right and left are increasingly becoming meaningless terms today anyway, the real question is whether you support the neoliberal status quo or oppose it. My main ideological point is that American unipolar dominance needs to end. For real change to happen, that is the first domino to fall. Marxists and radicals of all (sane) kinds should support the countries that end the current world order. If that makes me a red capitalist, I don't care. I care about what works. Your approach, evidently, does not.

You sound exactly like me when I was 10. Of course, most of us grow up, learn a few basics in social sciences, and realize that Big Bad Murikkka is not in fact the root of all evil in the world, and that replacing it with a more authoritarian, reactionary and repressive hegemon is unlikely to make things better. Evidently some grown adults like you find the fantasy is too comforting to give up - probably because they care more about being edgy and provocative than actually improving workers' lives.
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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2020, 11:07:06 PM »

Right and left are increasingly becoming meaningless terms today anyway, the real question is whether you support the neoliberal status quo or oppose it. My main ideological point is that American unipolar dominance needs to end. For real change to happen, that is the first domino to fall. Marxists and radicals of all (sane) kinds should support the countries that end the current world order. If that makes me a red capitalist, I don't care. I care about what works. Your approach, evidently, does not.

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« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2020, 07:15:24 AM »

Right and left are increasingly becoming meaningless terms today anyway, the real question is whether you support the neoliberal status quo or oppose it. My main ideological point is that American unipolar dominance needs to end. For real change to happen, that is the first domino to fall. Marxists and radicals of all (sane) kinds should support the countries that end the current world order. If that makes me a red capitalist, I don't care. I care about what works. Your approach, evidently, does not.

You sound exactly like me when I was 10. Of course, most of us grow up, learn a few basics in social sciences, and realize that Big Bad Murikkka is not in fact the root of all evil in the world, and that replacing it with a more authoritarian, reactionary and repressive hegemon is unlikely to make things better. Evidently some grown adults like you find the fantasy is too comforting to give up - probably because they care more about being edgy and provocative than actually improving workers' lives.

Yeah its not the "America bad" thing that many of us have a problem with, but "China better".
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« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2020, 09:31:58 AM »

Right and left are increasingly becoming meaningless terms today anyway, the real question is whether you support the neoliberal status quo or oppose it. My main ideological point is that American unipolar dominance needs to end. For real change to happen, that is the first domino to fall. Marxists and radicals of all (sane) kinds should support the countries that end the current world order. If that makes me a red capitalist, I don't care. I care about what works. Your approach, evidently, does not.
The end goal of China is not a struggle of liberation, but of a rising imperialistic hegemon seeking to assert itself on the global stage. Once maintaining a grip on the Pacific, they will conduct themselves in the same way as the United States. They already are or are preparing to in many cases are with the bad debt traps and Belt and Road initiative, along with the increased focus in an expeditionary military.

Now, do I support engaging in “Great Power Competition” or feeding into the Yellow Peril hysteria as of late, of course not. I care about improving the living standards of myself and the world, and that requires acknowledgement of the fact that while China doesn’t have the influence to wreck the world like a toxic landlord the United States is doing now, one should be wary of them. That’s why the Nation of Vietnam is so hostile to them, as they know the Chinese elites bottom line. That’s why radical groups in both Japan or the Philippines are wary or downright hostile to Chinese influence in the region.

The American system is unraveling by itself, but stanning for Chinese geopolitical ambitions is dumb mate, and makes you look like the worst kind of liberal in the Western World, a national liberal. Focus on organizing your own community to prepare and hasten the end of this current era mate.
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