Covid period pieces

[Samof94]

How will 2020(and 2021 to a lesser extent) be viewed in the future??? I’m talking decades from now like how 9/11 looks distant to us.

[Del Tachi]

2020-21 will be remembered as a quirky year when we stopped going to baseball games because a few (mostly old) people were dying of colds.

The only way to approach COVID-19 hysteria with the benefit of future hindsight will be comically, for sure. 

[Calthrina950]

2020-21 will be remembered as a quirky year when we stopped going to baseball games because a few (mostly old) people were dying of colds.

The only way to approach COVID-19 hysteria with the benefit of future hindsight will be comically, for sure. 

It's not just a few people. Almost 800,000 have died of it at this point. And 2020-2021 have been very disruptive years for society.

[Ferguson97]

2020-21 will be remembered as a quirky year when we stopped going to baseball games because a few (mostly old) people were dying of colds.

The only way to approach COVID-19 hysteria with the benefit of future hindsight will be comically, for sure. 

More likely it will be remembered as the time 800k+ people died because 1/4 of the country was too selfish to wear a mask or get vaccinated.

[RINO Tom]

2020-21 will be remembered as a quirky year when we stopped going to baseball games because a few (mostly old) people were dying of colds.

The only way to approach COVID-19 hysteria with the benefit of future hindsight will be comically, for sure. 

More likely it will be remembered as the time 800k+ people died because 1/4 of the country was too selfish to wear a mask or get vaccinated.

Highly doubt that.  Right now, I live in an area with high vaccination rates, relatively low COVID cases and VERY low hospitalizations ... and we are extending COVID restrictions indefinitely.  Meanwhile, other states with worse stats than ours are moving on from COVID and encouraging people to get vaccinated/be careful at their own discretion.

That is a nice encapsulation of how the more COVID-hysteric people will have their "legacy" evolve in this ... left behind.

[ElectionsGuy]

2020-21 will be remembered as a quirky year when we stopped going to baseball games because a few (mostly old) people were dying of colds.

The only way to approach COVID-19 hysteria with the benefit of future hindsight will be comically, for sure. 

More likely it will be remembered as the time 800k+ people died because 1/4 of the country was too selfish to wear a mask or get vaccinated.

You still think this is about masks and vaccines?

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1463214461590794248

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1462874136649158660

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1463225595291004929

If people haven't woken up by now, they never will.

[Pericles]

2020-21 will be remembered as a quirky year when we stopped going to baseball games because a few (mostly old) people were dying of colds.

The only way to approach COVID-19 hysteria with the benefit of future hindsight will be comically, for sure. 

Oh f**k off. I don't regret for a second making sacrifices to protect my loved ones and my community. I'm proud to live in a country where we look out for each other.

By the way, the US has a higher per capita death toll than most developed countries (and double Germany's-even though Germans are older). Overall within the US, death tolls are correlated with the states that have lower vaccination rates and weaker public health measures. The death toll was disgraceful, preventable and unforgiveable.

[Calthrina950]

2020-21 will be remembered as a quirky year when we stopped going to baseball games because a few (mostly old) people were dying of colds.

The only way to approach COVID-19 hysteria with the benefit of future hindsight will be comically, for sure. 

More likely it will be remembered as the time 800k+ people died because 1/4 of the country was too selfish to wear a mask or get vaccinated.

You still think this is about masks and vaccines?

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1463214461590794248

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1462874136649158660

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1463225595291004929

If people haven't woken up by now, they never will.

What is being suggested here? That masks and vaccines are ineffective?

[ElectionsGuy]

2020-21 will be remembered as a quirky year when we stopped going to baseball games because a few (mostly old) people were dying of colds.

The only way to approach COVID-19 hysteria with the benefit of future hindsight will be comically, for sure. 

More likely it will be remembered as the time 800k+ people died because 1/4 of the country was too selfish to wear a mask or get vaccinated.

You still think this is about masks and vaccines?

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1463214461590794248

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1462874136649158660

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1463225595291004929

If people haven't woken up by now, they never will.

What is being suggested here? That masks and vaccines are ineffective?

Not necessarily. Cloth masks are certainly not very effective. KN95's are though. Vaccines are effective in preventing severe outcomes from infection but haven't shown effectiveness past June to slow transmission (as seen in the rise over the summer despite a majority of Americans being vaccinated). And obviously, vaccine effectiveness wanes after a few months, as the delta variant penetrated through pretty easily during the summer. I don't think most people thought that vaccines would last less than a year and that they'd have to get a booster within 6 months. You don't get a booster shot if the first vaccine(s) worked perfectly well and lasted.

When I say "woken up" I mean realizing that these policies don't work, and have no correlation to data. The broader point here is that the authoritarian measures that the "experts" have said are the only way to reduce cases/deaths: mask mandates, vaccine passports, vaccine mandates, and now some countries like Austria are going so extreme doing a lockdown of the unvaccinated and forcing everyone to get it by a certain date. This is a civil libertarian's nightmare. And yet, for all this sacrifice, surely we would see a severe cut in the number of cases and deaths? Well no, we don't see that. So why in the world are we doing this to ourselves if we STILL can't control this virus, that's the question we've been asking for nearly two years now.

And that was just three examples, there's countless other examples that go against the common media/Fauci type narrative. It is insanity that we are ruining people's lives over a virus that Chinese style intrusions into daily life (which is where lockdowns came from, btw) cannot even control. Yet, there's no sign any of this madness is going to stop anytime soon because this has become so politicized and so many people have an irrational amount of fear (Ex: So many people are more likely to die in a car accident than to die of covid, but don't think twice about driving somewhere but will scold someone not wearing a mask or being unvaccinated for "endangering my life").

[Xing]

There's definitely a story to be told about how people don't come together in a time of crisis, but instead antagonize each other even more aggressively. The theme in fiction of rivals putting aside their differences to work together and stop an existential crisis (not saying COVID is quite that serious, but it wasn't "no big deal" or "a couple of old people no one cares about dying" either) is just that: fiction. Maybe we'll have more realistic fiction in which rivals hate each other even more when faced with a grave danger.

[Astatine]

2020-21 will be remembered as a quirky year when we stopped going to baseball games because a few (mostly old) people were dying of colds.

The only way to approach COVID-19 hysteria with the benefit of future hindsight will be comically, for sure. 

More likely it will be remembered as the time 800k+ people died because 1/4 of the country was too selfish to wear a mask or get vaccinated.

You still think this is about masks and vaccines?

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1463214461590794248

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1462874136649158660

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1463225595291004929

If people haven't woken up by now, they never will.

Developments in Germany that the tweet creator deliberately ignored (or maybe he should stick to German sources):

January: Medical mask mandate and regional lockdowns were put into place.

April: after the alpha variant surge, a larger scaled lockdown with curfews was put into place

Summer: loosening of many restrictions

August: post summer vacation surge

October: mask mandates in schools were abolished in most states, Universities start in person lectures, end of autumn school vacations

Cases are on the rise in states which lowest vaccine rates (Saxony, Bavaria, Thuringia), and vaccine "passports" haven't been put into place in most states until the beginning of this week.

It's debatable whether all of those restrictions were/are adequate considering the consequences they bring for mental health etc., but the captions of this graph are dead wrong for Germany.

[Calthrina950]

2020-21 will be remembered as a quirky year when we stopped going to baseball games because a few (mostly old) people were dying of colds.

The only way to approach COVID-19 hysteria with the benefit of future hindsight will be comically, for sure. 

More likely it will be remembered as the time 800k+ people died because 1/4 of the country was too selfish to wear a mask or get vaccinated.

You still think this is about masks and vaccines?

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1463214461590794248

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1462874136649158660

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1463225595291004929

If people haven't woken up by now, they never will.

What is being suggested here? That masks and vaccines are ineffective?

Not necessarily. Cloth masks are certainly not very effective. KN95's are though. Vaccines are effective in preventing severe outcomes from infection but haven't shown effectiveness past June to slow transmission (as seen in the rise over the summer despite a majority of Americans being vaccinated). And obviously, vaccine effectiveness wanes after a few months, as the delta variant penetrated through pretty easily during the summer. I don't think most people thought that vaccines would last less than a year and that they'd have to get a booster within 6 months. You don't get a booster shot if the first vaccine(s) worked perfectly well and lasted.

When I say "woken up" I mean realizing that these policies don't work, and have no correlation to data. The broader point here is that the authoritarian measures that the "experts" have said are the only way to reduce cases/deaths: mask mandates, vaccine passports, vaccine mandates, and now some countries like Austria are going so extreme doing a lockdown of the unvaccinated and forcing everyone to get it by a certain date. This is a civil libertarian's nightmare. And yet, for all this sacrifice, surely we would see a severe cut in the number of cases and deaths? Well no, we don't see that. So why in the world are we doing this to ourselves if we STILL can't control this virus, that's the question we've been asking for nearly two years now.

And that was just three examples, there's countless other examples that go against the common media/Fauci type narrative. It is insanity that we are ruining people's lives over a virus that Chinese style intrusions into daily life (which is where lockdowns came from, btw) cannot even control. Yet, there's no sign any of this madness is going to stop anytime soon because this has become so politicized and so many people have an irrational amount of fear (Ex: So many people are more likely to die in a car accident than to die of covid, but don't think twice about driving somewhere but will scold someone not wearing a mask or being unvaccinated for "endangering my life").

Well, I did ask you elsewhere what effect the lingering pandemic restrictions will have upon next year's midterms. I'm leaning to the stance that it won't be of benefit to the Democrats, but again, given how politicized this has become, it's possible that it doesn't have a significant effect. Not to the extent that one would think.

[ElectionsGuy]

2020-21 will be remembered as a quirky year when we stopped going to baseball games because a few (mostly old) people were dying of colds.

The only way to approach COVID-19 hysteria with the benefit of future hindsight will be comically, for sure. 

More likely it will be remembered as the time 800k+ people died because 1/4 of the country was too selfish to wear a mask or get vaccinated.

You still think this is about masks and vaccines?

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1463214461590794248

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1462874136649158660

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1463225595291004929

If people haven't woken up by now, they never will.

What is being suggested here? That masks and vaccines are ineffective?

Not necessarily. Cloth masks are certainly not very effective. KN95's are though. Vaccines are effective in preventing severe outcomes from infection but haven't shown effectiveness past June to slow transmission (as seen in the rise over the summer despite a majority of Americans being vaccinated). And obviously, vaccine effectiveness wanes after a few months, as the delta variant penetrated through pretty easily during the summer. I don't think most people thought that vaccines would last less than a year and that they'd have to get a booster within 6 months. You don't get a booster shot if the first vaccine(s) worked perfectly well and lasted.

When I say "woken up" I mean realizing that these policies don't work, and have no correlation to data. The broader point here is that the authoritarian measures that the "experts" have said are the only way to reduce cases/deaths: mask mandates, vaccine passports, vaccine mandates, and now some countries like Austria are going so extreme doing a lockdown of the unvaccinated and forcing everyone to get it by a certain date. This is a civil libertarian's nightmare. And yet, for all this sacrifice, surely we would see a severe cut in the number of cases and deaths? Well no, we don't see that. So why in the world are we doing this to ourselves if we STILL can't control this virus, that's the question we've been asking for nearly two years now.

And that was just three examples, there's countless other examples that go against the common media/Fauci type narrative. It is insanity that we are ruining people's lives over a virus that Chinese style intrusions into daily life (which is where lockdowns came from, btw) cannot even control. Yet, there's no sign any of this madness is going to stop anytime soon because this has become so politicized and so many people have an irrational amount of fear (Ex: So many people are more likely to die in a car accident than to die of covid, but don't think twice about driving somewhere but will scold someone not wearing a mask or being unvaccinated for "endangering my life").

Well, I did ask you elsewhere what effect the lingering pandemic restrictions will have upon next year's midterms. I'm leaning to the stance that it won't be of benefit to the Democrats, but again, given how politicized this has become, it's possible that it doesn't have a significant effect. Not to the extent that one would think.

Sorry, didn't see that.

Covid still remains Democrats and Biden's best issue, however, his approval on it has massively slipped since earlier in the year. Probably partially because of the inability to deliver on the promise to crush the virus, but also his effort to mandate the vaccine and demonize the unvaccinated. His OSHA mandate was -4 in a Quinnipiac poll, which is the lowest I've seen it. In other polls, it polls over 50% when you ask "mandate covid vaccine". But in polls where you add in that people will have to lose their jobs (which is what a mandate does) it instantly becomes very unpopular. I suspect this is one of those things that if you were to put it on a ballot, it would "underperform" the polls because people would have to understand the implications of it. I still think people reward Biden for the general vaccine distribution but a large chunk doesn't like the direction he's gone in the past couple of months.

If covid is still as prescient as it is now, I would expect Democrats to lose support they otherwise wouldn't. They did run and win on destroying the virus, after all. And, they have no one to blame but themselves for mandate blowback, as they could've focused on the economy after vaccines got out voluntarily, but they chose to go down this path. I still wouldn't expect too much of an impact (simply because people are so dug in on this) and think the economy will be far more important to the median voter, but yes there could be covid-related explanations for certain results in 2022, especially among certain demographic groups (like young, working-class people of color, for instance*)

*Whether they realize it or not, Democrats are waging a class war by demonizing the unvaccinated, as the unvaccinated are primarily lower class and younger, and the most vaccinated are the most privileged and wealthy in our society.

[Mr. Reactionary]

How will 2020(and 2021 to a lesser extent) be viewed in the future??? I’m talking decades from now like how 9/11 looks distant to us.

A bunch of morons fighting over toilet paper and waiting 3 days to open packages because of skerry jurms that dont kill you 99% of the time.

[Thank you for being a friend...]

Once this Plague is behind us, then we'll party like it's no tomorrow... I'd expect a Baby Boom and a lot of people partying on Spring Break, going out to the movies, and such.  Maybe it will be an economic boom.... but I did read today that for much of the country where there are no mask mandates, people feel their life is normal.  It's all of us in these Northeastern cities and up in Massachusetts where the restrictions are in our health care facilities, even if that's mental health, and that means the mask must stay on at all times hour to hour to hour.  So I don't feel like COVID is over at all.

[GregTheGreat657]

2020-21 will be remembered as a quirky year when we stopped going to baseball games because a few (mostly old) people were dying of colds.

The only way to approach COVID-19 hysteria with the benefit of future hindsight will be comically, for sure. 

Oh f**k off. I don't regret for a second making sacrifices to protect my loved ones and my community. I'm proud to live in a country where we look out for each other.

By the way, the US has a higher per capita death toll than most developed countries (and double Germany's-even though Germans are older). Overall within the US, death tolls are correlated with the states that have lower vaccination rates and weaker public health measures. The death toll was disgraceful, preventable and unforgiveable.

Didn't your entire country go on lockdown for 1 COVID case back in the summer of 2021?

[HillGoose]

2020-21 will be remembered as a quirky year when we stopped going to baseball games because a few (mostly old) people were dying of colds.

The only way to approach COVID-19 hysteria with the benefit of future hindsight will be comically, for sure.  

More likely it will be remembered as the time 800k+ people died because 1/4 of the country was too selfish to wear a mask or get vaccinated.

You still think this is about masks and vaccines?

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1463214461590794248

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1462874136649158660

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1463225595291004929

If people haven't woken up by now, they never will.

What is being suggested here? That masks and vaccines are ineffective?

Not necessarily. Cloth masks are certainly not very effective. KN95's are though. Vaccines are effective in preventing severe outcomes from infection but haven't shown effectiveness past June to slow transmission (as seen in the rise over the summer despite a majority of Americans being vaccinated). And obviously, vaccine effectiveness wanes after a few months, as the delta variant penetrated through pretty easily during the summer. I don't think most people thought that vaccines would last less than a year and that they'd have to get a booster within 6 months. You don't get a booster shot if the first vaccine(s) worked perfectly well and lasted.

When I say "woken up" I mean realizing that these policies don't work, and have no correlation to data. The broader point here is that the authoritarian measures that the "experts" have said are the only way to reduce cases/deaths: mask mandates, vaccine passports, vaccine mandates, and now some countries like Austria are going so extreme doing a lockdown of the unvaccinated and forcing everyone to get it by a certain date. This is a civil libertarian's nightmare. And yet, for all this sacrifice, surely we would see a severe cut in the number of cases and deaths? Well no, we don't see that. So why in the world are we doing this to ourselves if we STILL can't control this virus, that's the question we've been asking for nearly two years now.

And that was just three examples, there's countless other examples that go against the common media/Fauci type narrative. It is insanity that we are ruining people's lives over a virus that Chinese style intrusions into daily life (which is where lockdowns came from, btw) cannot even control. Yet, there's no sign any of this madness is going to stop anytime soon because this has become so politicized and so many people have an irrational amount of fear (Ex: So many people are more likely to die in a car accident than to die of covid, but don't think twice about driving somewhere but will scold someone not wearing a mask or being unvaccinated for "endangering my life").

Well, I did ask you elsewhere what effect the lingering pandemic restrictions will have upon next year's midterms. I'm leaning to the stance that it won't be of benefit to the Democrats, but again, given how politicized this has become, it's possible that it doesn't have a significant effect. Not to the extent that one would think.

Sorry, didn't see that.

Covid still remains Democrats and Biden's best issue, however, his approval on it has massively slipped since earlier in the year. Probably partially because of the inability to deliver on the promise to crush the virus, but also his effort to mandate the vaccine and demonize the unvaccinated. His OSHA mandate was -4 in a Quinnipiac poll, which is the lowest I've seen it. In other polls, it polls over 50% when you ask "mandate covid vaccine". But in polls where you add in that people will have to lose their jobs (which is what a mandate does) it instantly becomes very unpopular. I suspect this is one of those things that if you were to put it on a ballot, it would "underperform" the polls because people would have to understand the implications of it. I still think people reward Biden for the general vaccine distribution but a large chunk doesn't like the direction he's gone in the past couple of months.

If covid is still as prescient as it is now, I would expect Democrats to lose support they otherwise wouldn't. They did run and win on destroying the virus, after all. And, they have no one to blame but themselves for mandate blowback, as they could've focused on the economy after vaccines got out voluntarily, but they chose to go down this path. I still wouldn't expect too much of an impact (simply because people are so dug in on this) and think the economy will be far more important to the median voter, but yes there could be covid-related explanations for certain results in 2022, especially among certain demographic groups (like young, working-class people of color, for instance*)

*Whether they realize it or not, Democrats are waging a class war by demonizing the unvaccinated, as the unvaccinated are primarily lower class and younger, and the most vaccinated are the most privileged and wealthy in our society.

the stats u posted are the reason i dont think it'll ever get better. they will never let it end and even if they did what even is there left anyway. we sat in our houses for 2 weeks, we stopped going out, we got vaccinated, and what did it do, absolutely nothing. it's never going to end and it's also never going to go back to normal because everything gets worse forever.

[Pericles]

2020-21 will be remembered as a quirky year when we stopped going to baseball games because a few (mostly old) people were dying of colds.

The only way to approach COVID-19 hysteria with the benefit of future hindsight will be comically, for sure. 

Oh f**k off. I don't regret for a second making sacrifices to protect my loved ones and my community. I'm proud to live in a country where we look out for each other.

By the way, the US has a higher per capita death toll than most developed countries (and double Germany's-even though Germans are older). Overall within the US, death tolls are correlated with the states that have lower vaccination rates and weaker public health measures. The death toll was disgraceful, preventable and unforgiveable.

Didn't your entire country go on lockdown for 1 COVID case back in the summer of 2021?

Yes, and because of that in most of New Zealand no Covid has been spreading until our vaccine rollout reached its targets.

[Samof94]

2020-21 will be remembered as a quirky year when we stopped going to baseball games because a few (mostly old) people were dying of colds.

The only way to approach COVID-19 hysteria with the benefit of future hindsight will be comically, for sure. 

Oh f**k off. I don't regret for a second making sacrifices to protect my loved ones and my community. I'm proud to live in a country where we look out for each other.

By the way, the US has a higher per capita death toll than most developed countries (and double Germany's-even though Germans are older). Overall within the US, death tolls are correlated with the states that have lower vaccination rates and weaker public health measures. The death toll was disgraceful, preventable and unforgiveable.

Didn't your entire country go on lockdown for 1 COVID case back in the summer of 2021?

Yes, and because of that in most of New Zealand no Covid has been spreading until our vaccine rollout reached its targets.

Ardern was a much better leader than Trump, Bolsonaro, or Lukashenko.

[Samof94]

There's definitely a story to be told about how people don't come together in a time of crisis, but instead antagonize each other even more aggressively. The theme in fiction of rivals putting aside their differences to work together and stop an existential crisis (not saying COVID is quite that serious, but it wasn't "no big deal" or "a couple of old people no one cares about dying" either) is just that: fiction. Maybe we'll have more realistic fiction in which rivals hate each other even more when faced with a grave danger.

I can easily see that. January 6 too

[GregTheGreat657]

2020-21 will be remembered as a quirky year when we stopped going to baseball games because a few (mostly old) people were dying of colds.

The only way to approach COVID-19 hysteria with the benefit of future hindsight will be comically, for sure. 

Oh f**k off. I don't regret for a second making sacrifices to protect my loved ones and my community. I'm proud to live in a country where we look out for each other.

By the way, the US has a higher per capita death toll than most developed countries (and double Germany's-even though Germans are older). Overall within the US, death tolls are correlated with the states that have lower vaccination rates and weaker public health measures. The death toll was disgraceful, preventable and unforgiveable.

Didn't your entire country go on lockdown for 1 COVID case back in the summer of 2021?

Yes, and because of that in most of New Zealand no Covid has been spreading until our vaccine rollout reached its targets.

But it just isn't right for 5 million people to be placed under lockdown due to 1 sick person

[Pericles]

2020-21 will be remembered as a quirky year when we stopped going to baseball games because a few (mostly old) people were dying of colds.

The only way to approach COVID-19 hysteria with the benefit of future hindsight will be comically, for sure. 

Oh f**k off. I don't regret for a second making sacrifices to protect my loved ones and my community. I'm proud to live in a country where we look out for each other.

By the way, the US has a higher per capita death toll than most developed countries (and double Germany's-even though Germans are older). Overall within the US, death tolls are correlated with the states that have lower vaccination rates and weaker public health measures. The death toll was disgraceful, preventable and unforgiveable.

Didn't your entire country go on lockdown for 1 COVID case back in the summer of 2021?

Yes, and because of that in most of New Zealand no Covid has been spreading until our vaccine rollout reached its targets.

But it just isn't right for 5 million people to be placed under lockdown due to 1 sick person

I believe that was the lesser evil to many thousands of deaths, and because of that, it was better to get it out of the way as quickly as possible.