Former Austro-Turk national football team player praises Erdogan‘s invasion

[Tender Branson]

and his destruction of the Kurds:



„It began. May Allah be with us and lead our army to victory. The Turkish nation and our prayers are with you.“

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So the guy with the Austrian citizenship cheers for „our army“. The Turkish army. The invading Turk army that is killing the Kurds and reinvigorates IS.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Turkey as a country needs to be BROKEN. It needs to be given the post-WW2 Germany treatment.

When a country gets so violently nationalistic, strength is the only thing it understands.

[Tender Branson]

He does not only have Austrian Nationality but Turkish nationality as well, so he is indeed supporting "his" Armed Forces and frankly, when you have politicians like Norbert Hofer i.e. former and possibly future Ministers calling for ALL Turks to be denied Citizenship in response (link), then I think you are beginning to scratch the Surface on why many Austrian Turks idolize their ancestral Homeland so much. Germany of course, is not very much better in this regard.

Very disturbing that you are defending these 5th column Turks, especially when they are butchering the heroic Kurds right now, who have done so much to destroy and contain IS.

And it's especially bad taste from Kavlak to come here, apply for our citizenship, play for our team, spend most of the time here and then when his commander and emperor decides to invade Syria, he tweets "Heil Erdogan !" ...

We need to draw a line here. Either you are for our country 100%, or you go back to where you came from. His Austrian citzenship should be revoked.

[Tender Branson]

these 5th column Turks
Either you are for our country 100%, or you go back to where you came from.

Thanks for proving my point entirely. You are talking just like Erdogan in your nationalism.
I am German, I love Germany, but I can love the country of my Family as well, I admire the German army for protecting me, but I can also admire the Army of the Country of my heritage when it is protecting my family and those I love against Terrorism and if you do not accept that, then you can forget about a Society where Immigrants will integrate, because you fundamentally misunderstand how most 2nd Generations feel about the Country of their Parents. Being confronted with racism at home, as the Turkish community is and always has been, as your comments and those of your politicians and countrymen illustrate, never "really" Austrian, they will look to Turkey. If you want them to stop supporting Erdogan, let them feel at home here, stop the which-hunts about dual citizenship, the accusations of disloyalty, and eventually they will integrate and stop looking to Turkey. And for clarifation, because otherwise it will be coming, I hate Erdogan.  

It seems we have fundamentally different opinions about this topic of integration/assimilation into the host culture ...

If I immigrate into another country, say the US or Germany, I will adopt to their customs 99% and leave behind my cultural background in the country of origin. Otherwise, I might have well stayed there in the first place.

Veli Kavlak chose to come to Austria, get the citizenship, play for our national football team, score goals. Everything was just fine. Everyone hailed him as a model of integration (not entirely sure about everyone, but mostly everyone). There are other examples of well-integrated immigrants from Turkey, who leave their nationalism in the closet or back in Turkey and who are not out on the streets - here in Austria, waving Turkish flags - whenever their emperor at home, Erdogan calls them to action. Once they do this, they are the 5th column I have mentioned and they give up any impression of having integrated into our society properly, that we, their hosts, expected from them.

And then, once they are not displaying love for their host country but for their country they left behind, it's totally legitimate that we become critical to them. Why should we tolerate their fascism, nationalism and chauvinism in our own country ? GO BACK HOME !

PS: the Kurds are not the terrorists - like you said, they are the heroes. The terrorists are the Turkish Nationalists and the invasive, Islamo-Nazi Erdogan crowd.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Veli Kavlak chose to come to Austria,

That's incorrect. Kavlak was born in Vienna.

[Tender Branson]

Veli Kavlak chose to come to Austria,

That's incorrect. Kavlak was born in Vienna.

Ok, my bad. Don't know the biography of every football player.

Which makes his cheerleading for the dictator Erdogan and his invasion adventures abroad even worse ...

[Middle-aged Europe]

Veli Kavlak chose to come to Austria,

That's incorrect. Kavlak was born in Vienna.

Ok, my bad. Don't know the biography of every football player.

Which makes his cheerleading for the dictator Erdogan and his invasion adventures abroad even worse ...

Soccer players with a migrant background having been born in the country they're also playing in is a pretty commonplace phenomenon and certainly far more likely than not.

Take the current members of Germany's national team for instance. Ilkay Gündogan was born in Northrhine-Westphalia, Emre Can in Hesse, Suat Serdar and Nadiem Amiri in Rhineland-Palatinate, Serge Gnabry in Baden-Württemberg. In fact, none of the national team players were born abroad.

[Tender Branson]

Veli Kavlak chose to come to Austria,

That's incorrect. Kavlak was born in Vienna.

Ok, my bad. Don't know the biography of every football player.

Which makes his cheerleading for the dictator Erdogan and his invasion adventures abroad even worse ...

Soccer players with a migrant background having been born in the country they're also playing in is a pretty commonplace phenomenon and certainly far more likely than not.

Take the current members of Germany's national team for instance. Ilkay Gündogan was born in Northrhine-Westphalia, Emre Can in Hesse, Suat Serdar and Nadiem Amiri in Rhineland-Palatinate, Serge Gnabry in Baden-Württemberg. In fact, none of the national team players were born abroad.

And what has this to do with everything ?

Most players with a migrant background behave.

Only among Turks (and sometimes Kosovo-Albanians) you will find a pattern of complete assholes that support either the dictatorial Muslimo-Nazi Erdogan or Greater Albania.

[parochial boy]

If I immigrate into another country, say the US or Germany, I will adopt to their customs 99% and leave behind my cultural background in the country of origin. Otherwise, I might have well stayed there in the first place.

If you moved to America you would speak English at home and start calling yourself American? Even when all the locals were telling you that you were Austrian? That seems unlikely to be honest

Urutzizu is absolutely right on this. Something that monocultural people have a lot of trouble understanding is that adopting one culture doesn't have to mean abandoning another; and that, really, really crucially, national culture and national identity is not a zero sum game. This isn't even about "what your view of integration" is; it's a simple fact of how people behave; if you insist that people are aliens until they abandon their original culture in its entirety, then they are never going to part of your society.

Then of course, the other simple factor is that second generation kids have a tendency to idealise their homeland. You know, a country they only visit on holiday and only really see the nicest bits of is always going to be compared favourably compared to the mundane home they are growing up in. When you add your attitude to that, an attitude that says they don't belong there, they're foreign, that they aren't part of society and tells them they need to jump all these extra hurdles just to ever be accepted; then of course that is going to affect way they see themselves.

[Tender Branson]

If I immigrate into another country, say the US or Germany, I will adopt to their customs 99% and leave behind my cultural background in the country of origin. Otherwise, I might have well stayed there in the first place.

If you moved to America you would speak English at home and start calling yourself American? Even when all the locals were telling you that you were Austrian? That seems unlikely to be honest.

YES, I would.

[parochial boy]

Try it then, and tell us how it goes

[Tender Branson]

Try it then, and tell us how it goes

If I were to move to the US, nobody would really know that I'm from Europe after 2-5 years.

My English is far better than Schwarzenegger's for example after 50 years in the US ...

I would also not wave Austrian flags in NYC, because Chancellor Kurz calls for the invasion of South Tyrol to kill the Italian terrorists there ...

[Kingpoleon]

Try it then, and tell us how it goes

If I were to move to the US, nobody would really know that I'm from Europe after 2-5 years.

My English is far better than Schwarzenegger's for example after 50 years in the US ...

I would also not wave Austrian flags in NYC, because Chancellor Kurz calls for the invasion of South Tyrol to kill the Italian terrorists there ...

... Yes, yes we would be able to tell. That’s not a bad thing - it’s just the truth.