New leak claims Trump scrapped Iran nuclear deal 'to spite Obama'
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brucejoel99
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« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2019, 05:48:58 PM »

Boris Johnson hardly a PC left wing snowflake, urged Trump to stay in the deal. Republican opposition to the Iran Deal wasn't about anything ideological, it was about them not being rational on even a basic level.

Indeed, but to be fair, the British Conservative Party is generally not as right-wing as the Republicans, & Anglo-Iranian relations are better (& less tense) than American-Iranian relations.
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« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2019, 07:46:22 PM »

Trump's entire political image was based around spiting Obama. It's what made him a right wing icon earlier in the decade, and what helped him win the nomination of the Republican Party. This was apparent from the start and anyone who didn't notice it is willfully ignorant.

There is still a grim surprise here though, it shows that Trump doesn't even believe his own lies, which is worse than being deluded. The pretense behind withdrawing from the agreement was supposedly because it was too generous to Iran, that was the rhetoric he used. But really, that was never even close to being the real rationale that Trump or his confidants convinced themselves of. People who voted for Trump should feel had, but they're almost certainly don't care.  I hope this increasingly worse geopolitical conflict was worth it!

It's astounding that Trump and his party can continue to keep getting more and more despicable every day. We may never reach the bedrock!
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« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2019, 11:03:00 PM »

Trump's entire political image was based around spiting Obama. It's what made him a right wing icon earlier in the decade, and what helped him win the nomination of the Republican Party. This was apparent from the start and anyone who didn't notice it is willfully ignorant.

Rejection of the policies of a predecessor tor inefficacy, poor results, or corrigible faults (in the latter, correction will be adequate) is understandable. Policies will always be reshaped or when necessary undone.

The enmity of Trump toward his predecessor is personal spite, and not principle. Personal spite is not a good cause; it is not thinking in an adult mode. So Obama made known that he thought that Donald Trump is a hollow, amoral man for pressing the allegation that Obama is not a US citizen. (Being born to an American woman who was an American citizen at the time, it would not matter if he had been born in then-British Kenya).

So we see even more evidence. Should that be cause for the next President to repudiate everything that Trump did? NO!!! Such should be done for specific fault, and not because of the association of a Trump policy.         

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There is still a grim surprise here though, it shows that Trump doesn't even believe his own lies, which is worse than being deluded. The pretense behind withdrawing from the agreement was supposedly because it was too generous to Iran, that was the rhetoric he used. But really, that was never even close to being the real rationale that Trump or his confidants convinced themselves of. People who voted for Trump should feel had, but they're almost certainly don't care.  I hope this increasingly worse geopolitical conflict was worth it!

As I recall, the warming relations between the Obama administration and the Islamic Republic of Iran was frequent cooperation between the US Navy and the Iranian Navy in suppressing piracy off the coast of Somalia.  Could America and Iran have a shared interest in suppressing piracy? Shipping lanes are to be inviolable if shipping is not to be exorbitantly expensive.

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It's astounding that Trump and his party can continue to keep getting more and more despicable every day. We may never reach the bedrock!

Syphilis? Cocaine? Both can foster cruelty and erratic behavior. 
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« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2019, 12:13:48 AM »

Of course, the UK ambassador knows more about Trump’s motives than the President.  Not.

Trump and most conservatives were opposed to the Iran nuclear deal since the start, because it was a very bad deal, with a plane full of cash heading to Iran in exchange for promises not worth the paper they were printed on. It would have been torn up by almost every Republican presidential nominee that won election.
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« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2019, 12:55:24 PM »
« Edited: July 15, 2019, 01:02:37 PM by Decay »

Cynic is correct, tearing up the Iran deal is something any generic Republican president would have done because Republicans actually believe the propaganda and lies about the deal coming from radical and dangerous Iran hawk ideologues. It was an extraordinarily stupid thing to do, but when you vote Republican you have to deal with extraordinarily stupid consequences.  
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« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2019, 02:32:10 PM »

Does Obama still get blamed if 🇮🇷 gets the 💣
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