Donald Trump vs Pete Buttigieg maps

[Senator Spark]

What happens if Buttigieg wins Iowa and gains momentum to win the nomination? How would he fare against the President?

[S019]

He’s an underwhelming candidate and it shows in the results

[😥]

He’s an underwhelming candidate and it shows in the results

Agree with this map

[User155815470020]

He’s an underwhelming candidate and it shows in the results

Agree with this map

''I disagree with the map. I imagine that  w==with Buttigieg being a native midwesterner and better, more popular candidate than Clinton, he would at leats be able to win MN and PA. WI, MI, ME-02 and NE-02 are up in the air. I agree that Trump will hold OH and IA.

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

Hillary 2016 + PA, WI, MI, IA, NE-02, and AZ.

Close, but still Trump: OH, NC, FL, ME-02.

Indiana result: Trump 51%, Buttigieg 47%.

[Frenchrepublican]

Hillary 2016 + PA, WI, MI, IA, NE-02, and AZ.

Close, but still Trump: OH, NC, FL, ME-02.

Indiana result: Trump 51%, Buttigieg 47%.

Lol. Even Joe Donnelly lost by more than that as a moderate incumbent during a democratic wave. Buttigieg would lose Indiana 40/58. Besides Ohio wouldn’t be particularly close either

[KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸]

My neighbor's friend's cat's previous owner's cousin's step sister-in-law who currently lives in rural Mississippi once was friends with Butigug who often visited her dorm. All they did was play Super Smash Bros: Melee and dip some Skoal all while downing it all with some Taco Bell and an entire bottle of Fireball. I believe the college she went to was Norte Dam (i think that's italyian) but I heard that lately the joint burned down faster than David Caruso's career, so who cares. Vote Jill Stein 2012

[morgankingsley]

My neighbor's friend's cat's previous owner's cousin's step sister-in-law who currently lives in rural Mississippi once was friends with Butigug who often visited her dorm. All they did was play Super Smash Bros: Melee and dip some Skoal all while downing it all with some Taco Bell and an entire bottle of Fireball. I believe the college she went to was Norte Dam (i think that's italyian) but I heard that lately the joint burned down faster than David Caruso's career, so who cares. Vote Jill Stein 2012

Good Sig by the way

That's all

[YourLocalKiwiGay]

I think he could acheive a map similar to this

325-213

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

Hillary 2016 + PA, WI, MI, IA, NE-02, and AZ.

Close, but still Trump: OH, NC, FL, ME-02.

Indiana result: Trump 51%, Buttigieg 47%.

Lol. Even Joe Donnelly lost by more than that as a moderate incumbent during a democratic wave. Buttigieg would lose Indiana 40/58. Besides Ohio wouldn’t be particularly close either

Joe Donnelly didn't have a home state advantage against his opponent, and completely alienated Indiana's progressive base by more or less cuddling up to Trump.

Buttigieg has a proven ability to build bridges to Trump voters, while keeping an energized progressive base. He's also about 40 IQ points smarter than Donnelly.

[Frenchrepublican]

Hillary 2016 + PA, WI, MI, IA, NE-02, and AZ.

Close, but still Trump: OH, NC, FL, ME-02.

Indiana result: Trump 51%, Buttigieg 47%.

Lol. Even Joe Donnelly lost by more than that as a moderate incumbent during a democratic wave. Buttigieg would lose Indiana 40/58. Besides Ohio wouldn’t be particularly close either

Joe Donnelly didn't have a home state advantage against his opponent, and completely alienated Indiana's progressive base by more or less cuddling up to Trump.

Buttigieg has a proven ability to build bridges to Trump voters, while keeping an energized progressive base. He's also about 40 IQ points smarter than Donnelly.

Two problems with your observation :

1. So according to you Donnelly lost because he was not liberal enough ?! Are you serious ? Had Donnelly ran on a Medicare for all platform like Buttigieg he would have lost by a double digits margin. Donnelly lost because the democratic brand is extremely tarnished in rural areas and small towns not became he was too conservative.

2. You are talking about the ability of Buttigieg to build bridges with conservative voters.... but do you even understand that South Bend is very different from a political point of view than the rest of Indiana. South Bend voted for Clinton by a 30 points margin while she lost Indiana by 19, the fact that Buttigieg has been elected mayor of South Bend is absolutely not a proof that he has the ability to connect with conservative voters. By the way the only time he ran for a statewide office in Indiana he lost in a landslide. Maybe he is smarter than Donnelly but you are wrong if you think that Buttigieg can appeal to anyone outside of the progressive electorate

[Some of My Best Friends Are Gay]

Hillary 2016 + PA, WI, MI, IA, NE-02, and AZ.

Close, but still Trump: OH, NC, FL, ME-02.

Indiana result: Trump 51%, Buttigieg 47%.

Lol. Even Joe Donnelly lost by more than that as a moderate incumbent during a democratic wave. Buttigieg would lose Indiana 40/58. Besides Ohio wouldn’t be particularly close either

Joe Donnelly didn't have a home state advantage against his opponent, and completely alienated Indiana's progressive base by more or less cuddling up to Trump.

Buttigieg has a proven ability to build bridges to Trump voters, while keeping an energized progressive base. He's also about 40 IQ points smarter than Donnelly.

Two problems with your observation :

1. So according to you Donnelly lost because he was not liberal enough ?! Are you serious ? Had Donnelly ran on a Medicare for all platform like Buttigieg he would have lost by a double digits margin. Donnelly lost because the democratic brand is extremely tarnished in rural areas and small towns not became he was too conservative.

Buttigieg is not running on Medicare for All, he supports a public option according to Wikipedia.

[Frenchrepublican]

Hillary 2016 + PA, WI, MI, IA, NE-02, and AZ.

Close, but still Trump: OH, NC, FL, ME-02.

Indiana result: Trump 51%, Buttigieg 47%.

Lol. Even Joe Donnelly lost by more than that as a moderate incumbent during a democratic wave. Buttigieg would lose Indiana 40/58. Besides Ohio wouldn’t be particularly close either

Joe Donnelly didn't have a home state advantage against his opponent, and completely alienated Indiana's progressive base by more or less cuddling up to Trump.

Buttigieg has a proven ability to build bridges to Trump voters, while keeping an energized progressive base. He's also about 40 IQ points smarter than Donnelly.

Two problems with your observation :

1. So according to you Donnelly lost because he was not liberal enough ?! Are you serious ? Had Donnelly ran on a Medicare for all platform like Buttigieg he would have lost by a double digits margin. Donnelly lost because the democratic brand is extremely tarnished in rural areas and small towns not became he was too conservative.

Buttigieg is not running on Medicare for All, he supports a public option according to Wikipedia.

But a public option would by definition lead to a Medicare for all system because people with diseases or pre existing conditions would opt for the public option rather than more expensive private insurances, in the end your ’’Public option system’’ would face bankruptcy because of the lack of healthy patients and the only way to solve this problem would be to force everyone to use and to contribute to the public healthcare system. In the end you would have a Medicare for all system.

No matter what my argument stands. Donnelly ran as a moderate, middle of road democrat and still lost by six, someone like Buttigieg who is arguably more liberal would do even worse

[Nightcore Nationalist]

Basically 2016 2.0, maybe flip NH.  He's an underwhelming candidate.

My neighbor's friend's cat's previous owner's cousin's step sister-in-law who currently lives in rural Mississippi once was friends with Butigug who often visited her dorm. All they did was play Super Smash Bros: Melee and dip some Skoal all while downing it all with some Taco Bell and an entire bottle of Fireball. I believe the college she went to was Norte Dam (i think that's italyian) but I heard that lately the joint burned down faster than David Caruso's career, so who cares. Vote Jill Stein 2012

Good Sig by the way

That's all

lol:D

[Nightcore Nationalist]

Two problems with your observation :

1. So according to you Donnelly lost because he was not liberal enough ?! Are you serious ? Had Donnelly ran on a Medicare for all platform like Buttigieg he would have lost by a double digits margin. Donnelly lost because the democratic brand is extremely tarnished in rural areas and small towns not became he was too conservative.

2. You are talking about the ability of Buttigieg to build bridges with conservative voters.... but do you even understand that South Bend is very different from a political point of view than the rest of Indiana. South Bend voted for Clinton by a 30 points margin while she lost Indiana by 19, the fact that Buttigieg has been elected mayor of South Bend is absolutely not a proof that he has the ability to connect with conservative voters. By the way the only time he ran for a statewide office in Indiana he lost in a landslide. Maybe he is smarter than Donnelly but you are wrong if you think that Buttigieg can appeal to anyone outside of the progressive electorate

[Mr. Smith]

He pulls an Obama '12, switch FL/OH with AZ/NC.

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

Hillary 2016 + PA, WI, MI, IA, NE-02, and AZ.

Close, but still Trump: OH, NC, FL, ME-02.

Indiana result: Trump 51%, Buttigieg 47%.

Lol. Even Joe Donnelly lost by more than that as a moderate incumbent during a democratic wave. Buttigieg would lose Indiana 40/58. Besides Ohio wouldn’t be particularly close either

Joe Donnelly didn't have a home state advantage against his opponent, and completely alienated Indiana's progressive base by more or less cuddling up to Trump.

Buttigieg has a proven ability to build bridges to Trump voters, while keeping an energized progressive base. He's also about 40 IQ points smarter than Donnelly.

Two problems with your observation :

1. So according to you Donnelly lost because he was not liberal enough ?! Are you serious ? Had Donnelly ran on a Medicare for all platform like Buttigieg he would have lost by a double digits margin. Donnelly lost because the democratic brand is extremely tarnished in rural areas and small towns not became he was too conservative.

Buttigieg is not running on Medicare for All, he supports a public option according to Wikipedia.

But a public option would by definition lead to a Medicare for all system because people with diseases or pre existing conditions would opt for the public option rather than more expensive private insurances, in the end your ’’Public option system’’ would face bankruptcy because of the lack of healthy patients and the only way to solve this problem would be to force everyone to use and to contribute to the public healthcare system. In the end you would have a Medicare for all system.

No matter what my argument stands. Donnelly ran as a moderate, middle of road democrat and still lost by six, someone like Buttigieg who is arguably more liberal would do even worse

As someone who works in the insurance industry (Life and P&C, but not health, thank God), my gut feeling is that a public option would result in two things:

1. All but the largest employers will drop health insurance completely as a benefit in favor of a voucher for the public option. Because the amount of time and effort wasted by HR professionals in wrangling group health plans simply isn't worth it. The resulting base of insureds would not carry the anti-selection risk that an "insurer of last resort" would.

2. The private health insurance industry will start offering a dazzling array of "supplemental" group health plans that ride on top of the public option and kick in when public insurance fails to pay. With basic health taken care of by the public option, these plans would be easy to administer both for the insurer and the subscriber, and would probably be subject to less regulation than comprehensive health insurance is. This is probably what would also happen to private health insurance in Medicare-for-all, but it would be a much softer landing.

Having volunteered for the Donnelly campaign, the problem wasn't with him being a moderate. The problem was that you cannot say you support Donald Trump - even conditionally - and win enough Democrats to beat a Republican in Indiana. Donnelly's only shot (if he even had one after it came out that his company shipped jobs to Mexico) was to sell himself as a political independent who didn't take marching orders from either side, as well as put forward clear, concise policy objectives that supported working Hoosiers. He failed. He lost.

The key to Indiana is working voters. If working people believe you will help them, they will vote for you. That's how Obama won the state. That's how Trump won the state in a landslide. Donnelly had a giant nothing sandwich to offer.

[Frenchrepublican]

Hillary 2016 + PA, WI, MI, IA, NE-02, and AZ.

Close, but still Trump: OH, NC, FL, ME-02.

Indiana result: Trump 51%, Buttigieg 47%.

Lol. Even Joe Donnelly lost by more than that as a moderate incumbent during a democratic wave. Buttigieg would lose Indiana 40/58. Besides Ohio wouldn’t be particularly close either

Joe Donnelly didn't have a home state advantage against his opponent, and completely alienated Indiana's progressive base by more or less cuddling up to Trump.

Buttigieg has a proven ability to build bridges to Trump voters, while keeping an energized progressive base. He's also about 40 IQ points smarter than Donnelly.

Two problems with your observation :

1. So according to you Donnelly lost because he was not liberal enough ?! Are you serious ? Had Donnelly ran on a Medicare for all platform like Buttigieg he would have lost by a double digits margin. Donnelly lost because the democratic brand is extremely tarnished in rural areas and small towns not became he was too conservative.

Buttigieg is not running on Medicare for All, he supports a public option according to Wikipedia.

But a public option would by definition lead to a Medicare for all system because people with diseases or pre existing conditions would opt for the public option rather than more expensive private insurances, in the end your ’’Public option system’’ would face bankruptcy because of the lack of healthy patients and the only way to solve this problem would be to force everyone to use and to contribute to the public healthcare system. In the end you would have a Medicare for all system.

No matter what my argument stands. Donnelly ran as a moderate, middle of road democrat and still lost by six, someone like Buttigieg who is arguably more liberal would do even worse

As someone who works in the insurance industry (Life and P&C, but not health, thank God), my gut feeling is that a public option would result in two things:

1. All but the largest employers will drop health insurance completely as a benefit in favor of a voucher for the public option. Because the amount of time and effort wasted by HR professionals in wrangling group health plans simply isn't worth it. The resulting base of insureds would not carry the anti-selection risk that an "insurer of last resort" would.

2. The private health insurance industry will start offering a dazzling array of "supplemental" group health plans that ride on top of the public option and kick in when public insurance fails to pay. With basic health taken care of by the public option, these plans would be easy to administer both for the insurer and the subscriber, and would probably be subject to less regulation than comprehensive health insurance is. This is probably what would also happen to private health insurance in Medicare-for-all, but it would be a much softer landing.

Having volunteered for the Donnelly campaign, the problem wasn't with him being a moderate. The problem was that you cannot say you support Donald Trump - even conditionally - and win enough Democrats to beat a Republican in Indiana. Donnelly's only shot (if he even had one after it came out that his company shipped jobs to Mexico) was to sell himself as a political independent who didn't take marching orders from either side, as well as put forward clear, concise policy objectives that supported working Hoosiers. He failed. He lost.

The key to Indiana is working voters. If working people believe you will help them, they will vote for you. That's how Obama won the state. That's how Trump won the state in a landslide. Donnelly had a giant nothing sandwich to offer.

1. Yeah, that’s the positive way of thinking. But if you are a healthy guy of 30 why would you use the voucher for the public option if a private insurer is offering you a plan for less ? Even if I don’t like him, Sanders is the only logical candidate ; if you want a public healthcare system you have to put private insurers out of business (or at least restrict severely their importance). You have to create a public monopoly because otherwise healthy people will opt for a cheap private plan while the public healthcare system will be full of sick people who cost a lot.
2. The French healthcare system works like this. Private insurers are complementary to the public insurance.

But in the end no matter how you look a this question, the public option would in the end results in a public healthcare system.

Concerning Donnelly I don’t think he lost because he didn’t win enough democrats. Democrats were not the problem for him, he won 91% of democratic voters and democrats turned out in large numbers like in the rest of the country. The problem of Donnelly is that he had a D. behind it’s name and in a conservative state like Indiana it was a big anchor around his neck. He really worked voters including in conservative northeast Indiana but in the end it was not enough because he is a democrat.

Concerning Obama in 2008, we can easily explain his impressive victory by the disastrous state of the economy a that time and by the fact that he was a senator from the adjacent state rather than because of his platform in ’’favour of working Hoosiers’’.

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

1. Yeah, that’s the positive way of thinking. But if you are a healthy guy of 30 why would you use the voucher for the public option if a private insurer is offering you a plan for less ?

If private insurance is cheaper than the public option, the entire scheme is doomed to miserable failure.

[John Dule]

I call this one the "bare minimum" map. It's exactly what I thought Clinton would win in 2016, but I should've known that if her grip on it was so tenuous she didn't have it in the bag.