Trump refuses to recite Apostle's Creed, sing hymms, at Bush funeral

[Badger]

Can you even imagine Fox News right now if Obama did this?

Episode number 4762.

[TJ in Oregon]

Did Trump actually refuse to say it, or did he simply not say it? Those are two totally different things. Like, if someone asks on the campaign trail, would Trump be willing to say the Apostles' Creed?

Also not that I'm wont to complain about this, but isn't some discussion about whether a president says the Apostles' Creed getting near to an actual religious test for public office? To whatever extent banning abortion would be an instance of 'theocracy', isn't this whole foray be much more so? Unlike abortion, it's very hard to see the policy implications of the president saying or not saying the Apostles' Creed.

I'm not quite sure what to make of this, not that it matters much since by the time I vote in 2020 it will be buried under a heap of other stories.

[ag]

Also not that I'm wont to complain about this, but isn't some discussion about whether a president says the Apostles' Creed getting near to an actual religious test for public office?

Of course not. We are all, actually, very happy here that, finally, there is a non-Christian president of the United States. It is great!

[Associate Justice PiT]

Trump's religious deficiencies can be seen in statements he has made, but this line of criticism is deeply ignorant and I can't imagine it could be made by anyone who's spent a lot of time in churches themselves.
Plenty of faithful Christians keep silent in church.    When you go to church, you're not supposed to focus on what other people in the congregation are or aren't doing.   How they participate in worship is between them and God.  You do not know what is in their heart.   Read Matthew 6.

You really will go to any length necessary to defend Trump on everything, won't you?

That's not at all what this is about but I wouldn't expect a "Catholic" who thinks abortion is the bee's knees to have any clue about religion.

What "this is about" is hypocrisy (from the Orange Buffoon).
And yet it seems you are very selective on where you point the finger, instead of admitting to the obvious.

     A bad argument from one's allies is worse than no argument. When the line of attack on the grounds of un-Christian practices is demonstrably ignorant of Christian worship practice and theology, only a fool would endeavor to continue defending it. There are so many better anti-Trump arguments that it isn't worth salvaging this one.

To me, it's more than just the refusal to site the Apostle's Creed. But why not sing the hymns? (And it makes no difference if one "sounds" good at singing or not.)
Instead, trump just sat there like a stump. He should have participated.
Otherwise why did he attend? If you know you're going to conduct yourself like you don't want to be there (and to a funeral no less), then just don't go.
He knew that there were going to be cameras.

And yes, there are "many better anti-trump arguments," but when you start to add them all up (even the little ones), it just augments to the overall embarrassment this president is to our nation (and to his own character, which is already in the dumps).

     Shua's whole point is that there is no requirement for a Christian to participate in the manner that you think one should. As limited as my own experience with Christianity admittedly is, I can recall definite examples of the faithful remaining silent during prayers and hymns for various reasons. This isn't even a little argument; it's just a bad argument.

[Bojack Horseman]

But he’s The Chosen One, anointed by God to make America a Christian Nation™ again!

[ProudModerate2]

Trump's religious deficiencies can be seen in statements he has made, but this line of criticism is deeply ignorant and I can't imagine it could be made by anyone who's spent a lot of time in churches themselves.
Plenty of faithful Christians keep silent in church.    When you go to church, you're not supposed to focus on what other people in the congregation are or aren't doing.   How they participate in worship is between them and God.  You do not know what is in their heart.   Read Matthew 6.

You really will go to any length necessary to defend Trump on everything, won't you?

That's not at all what this is about but I wouldn't expect a "Catholic" who thinks abortion is the bee's knees to have any clue about religion.

What "this is about" is hypocrisy (from the Orange Buffoon).
And yet it seems you are very selective on where you point the finger, instead of admitting to the obvious.

     A bad argument from one's allies is worse than no argument. When the line of attack on the grounds of un-Christian practices is demonstrably ignorant of Christian worship practice and theology, only a fool would endeavor to continue defending it. There are so many better anti-Trump arguments that it isn't worth salvaging this one.

To me, it's more than just the refusal to site the Apostle's Creed. But why not sing the hymns? (And it makes no difference if one "sounds" good at singing or not.)
Instead, trump just sat there like a stump. He should have participated.
Otherwise why did he attend? If you know you're going to conduct yourself like you don't want to be there (and to a funeral no less), then just don't go.
He knew that there were going to be cameras.

And yes, there are "many better anti-trump arguments," but when you start to add them all up (even the little ones), it just augments to the overall embarrassment this president is to our nation (and to his own character, which is already in the dumps).

     Shua's whole point is that there is no requirement for a Christian to participate in the manner that you think one should. As limited as my own experience with Christianity admittedly is, I can recall definite examples of the faithful remaining silent during prayers and hymns for various reasons. This isn't even a little argument; it's just a bad argument.

I'm a little confused. Are you attempting to say that you truly believe that trump remaining silent, was due to his strong "faithful" ways to Christianity/religion?

[Associate Justice PiT]

Trump's religious deficiencies can be seen in statements he has made, but this line of criticism is deeply ignorant and I can't imagine it could be made by anyone who's spent a lot of time in churches themselves.
Plenty of faithful Christians keep silent in church.    When you go to church, you're not supposed to focus on what other people in the congregation are or aren't doing.   How they participate in worship is between them and God.  You do not know what is in their heart.   Read Matthew 6.

You really will go to any length necessary to defend Trump on everything, won't you?

That's not at all what this is about but I wouldn't expect a "Catholic" who thinks abortion is the bee's knees to have any clue about religion.

What "this is about" is hypocrisy (from the Orange Buffoon).
And yet it seems you are very selective on where you point the finger, instead of admitting to the obvious.

     A bad argument from one's allies is worse than no argument. When the line of attack on the grounds of un-Christian practices is demonstrably ignorant of Christian worship practice and theology, only a fool would endeavor to continue defending it. There are so many better anti-Trump arguments that it isn't worth salvaging this one.

To me, it's more than just the refusal to site the Apostle's Creed. But why not sing the hymns? (And it makes no difference if one "sounds" good at singing or not.)
Instead, trump just sat there like a stump. He should have participated.
Otherwise why did he attend? If you know you're going to conduct yourself like you don't want to be there (and to a funeral no less), then just don't go.
He knew that there were going to be cameras.

And yes, there are "many better anti-trump arguments," but when you start to add them all up (even the little ones), it just augments to the overall embarrassment this president is to our nation (and to his own character, which is already in the dumps).

     Shua's whole point is that there is no requirement for a Christian to participate in the manner that you think one should. As limited as my own experience with Christianity admittedly is, I can recall definite examples of the faithful remaining silent during prayers and hymns for various reasons. This isn't even a little argument; it's just a bad argument.

I'm a little confused. Are you attempting to say that you truly believe that trump remaining silent, was due to his strong "faithful" ways to Christianity/religion?

     No, I agree with shua that plenty of evidence exists to doubt Trump's Christian credentials. It's rather that remaining silent during a hymn isn't a good piece of evidence to use since Christianity generally considers outward displays of devotion to be secondary in importance to inner faith.

[100% pro-life no matter what]

In fairness, it is unusual in certain denominations for everybody to say a prayer in unison like that.  That is common in Catholic Churches and Protestant denominations like Episcopalians, but would be virtually unheard of during a Baptist service for instance.  Now, I'm not saying that that's what Trump was doing, but I just wanted to be fair.

[Badger]

Trump's religious deficiencies can be seen in statements he has made, but this line of criticism is deeply ignorant and I can't imagine it could be made by anyone who's spent a lot of time in churches themselves.
Plenty of faithful Christians keep silent in church.    When you go to church, you're not supposed to focus on what other people in the congregation are or aren't doing.   How they participate in worship is between them and God.  You do not know what is in their heart.   Read Matthew 6.

You really will go to any length necessary to defend Trump on everything, won't you?

That's not at all what this is about but I wouldn't expect a "Catholic" who thinks abortion is the bee's knees to have any clue about religion.

What "this is about" is hypocrisy (from the Orange Buffoon).
And yet it seems you are very selective on where you point the finger, instead of admitting to the obvious.

     A bad argument from one's allies is worse than no argument. When the line of attack on the grounds of un-Christian practices is demonstrably ignorant of Christian worship practice and theology, only a fool would endeavor to continue defending it. There are so many better anti-Trump arguments that it isn't worth salvaging this one.

To me, it's more than just the refusal to site the Apostle's Creed. But why not sing the hymns? (And it makes no difference if one "sounds" good at singing or not.)
Instead, trump just sat there like a stump. He should have participated.
Otherwise why did he attend? If you know you're going to conduct yourself like you don't want to be there (and to a funeral no less), then just don't go.
He knew that there were going to be cameras.

And yes, there are "many better anti-trump arguments," but when you start to add them all up (even the little ones), it just augments to the overall embarrassment this president is to our nation (and to his own character, which is already in the dumps).

     Shua's whole point is that there is no requirement for a Christian to participate in the manner that you think one should. As limited as my own experience with Christianity admittedly is, I can recall definite examples of the faithful remaining silent during prayers and hymns for various reasons. This isn't even a little argument; it's just a bad argument.

I'm a little confused. Are you attempting to say that you truly believe that trump remaining silent, was due to his strong "faithful" ways to Christianity/religion?

     No, I agree with shua that plenty of evidence exists to doubt Trump's Christian credentials. It's rather that remaining silent during a hymn isn't a good piece of evidence to use since Christianity generally considers outward displays of devotion to be secondary in importance to inner faith.

And if you believe at Trump's silence had Jack schitt to do with observance or personal beliefs about religion, other than the fact he literally warships only himself and money and couldn't give a fuk about Christianity except for what votes it wrangles him, and I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

This isn't rocket science, people. Please stop making yourself look foolish buy confusing Playing devil's advocate with just being intentionally obtuse.