Do the economy or markets still matter?

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

The Dems lost the WH in 2016 even with the recovery beginning...and the GOP lost the House with that same recovery still blossoming. Has it faded away as an issue? 

[OSR stands with Israel]

Yes it does , but more when times are bad then when times are good.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Yes it does , but more when times are bad then when times are good.

That's a good point. When the economy is stable other issues become prioritized.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Yes it does , but more when times are bad then when times are good.

That's a good point. When the economy is stable other issues become prioritized.

1988 is the only example since 1952 where it was contrary and that was because

- The Cold War was winding down fast

- The Democrats were viewed as weak on issues such as crime which is an issue which could have hurt Bush

- The Suburbs were so Republican then that the Democratic advantage in the Urban Areas would be wiped out even before you left the metro area. That made rural areas the deciding factor and those areas have basically been Republican since 1952 so a Democrat putting together a winning coalition would have to get an Royal Flush

[Mr. Smith]

Yes it does , but more when times are bad then when times are good.

That's a good point. When the economy is stable other issues become prioritized.

1988 is the only example since 1952 where it was contrary and that was because

- The Cold War was winding down fast

- The Democrats were viewed as weak on issues such as crime which is an issue which could have hurt Bush

- The Suburbs were so Republican then that the Democratic advantage in the Urban Areas would be wiped out even before you left the metro area. That made rural areas the deciding factor and those areas have basically been Republican since 1952 so a Democrat putting together a winning coalition would have to get an Royal Flush

The economy was good in 1968 as well, but there's plenty of cans of worms for that one.

[justfollowingtheelections]

When the economy is doing well, no one gives a sh**t about the economy.  When the economy is doing badly, people vote for Democrats to fix it.  That's what happened in 2008, and it also happened this year in Kansas.

[Famous Mortimer]

The economy has been bad since the 2008 crash. It never recovered. Some McJobs were created that basically all went to immigrants, that's it. This is the way things will probably be forever now.

Baring real structural change to the economy, people will vote based on whether or not they suspect they will be receiving welfare (Democrats) or paying for welfare (Republicans).

[Ban my account ffs!]

The economy has been bad since the 2008 crash. It never recovered. Some McJobs were created that basically all went to immigrants, that's it. This is the way things will probably be forever now.

Baring real structural change to the economy, people will vote based on whether or not they suspect they will be receiving welfare (Democrats) or paying for welfare (Republicans).

Depends where you are.  The economy in MN had recovered by late 2013 (unemployment fell below where it was at the beginning of the recession) and has been expanding since.  Income growth and job growth have far exceeded the previous ‘expansion’ under W and Pawlenty and the current unemployment rate is at 2.8%.  The state is having trouble creating jobs because there aren’t enough workers.

Geography matters in a much different way than it used to and it has created new winners and losers.  West Virginia and Wyoming are struggling because coal is in a downward spiral.  Alaska has declining oil output in an era of cheaper oil.  Ohio has lacklustre performance because it sits between a rock (Cinci/Appalachia) and a hard place (the rusty ass crusty northern part of the state).

Other places like Washington have higher unemployment due to heavy in-migration.  white people with dreadlocks loooooove Seattle cuz, like, it’s just so progressive! 

Florida is where baby boomers are moving en masse into fantasy live-in old people disney worlds.  And they need young people to serve them.  I fear where The Villages will be in 20 years...I just don’t see Gen Xers retiring there and increasingly the boomers will be moving back to wherever their kids are...or to nursing facilities that have room.  But maybe the community will evolve and Dead0 and Mrs Dead0 will move there.  Who knows?

My point is...more than ever...people are moving to where they want to live.  Wherever their demographic is thriving.  The Big Sort continues.

[IceSpear]

Baring real structural change to the economy, people will vote based on whether or not they suspect they will be receiving welfare (Democrats) or paying for welfare (Republicans).

/looks at Kentucky and West Virginia

Apparently not.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Baring real structural change to the economy, people will vote based on whether or not they suspect they will be receiving welfare (Democrats) or paying for welfare (Republicans).

/looks at Kentucky and West Virginia

Apparently not.

I love how you think the GOP deserves the blame for the economic situation in WV despite the fact that before 2014 the Dems totally controlled WV for 80 years .



If any party is to blame it is clearly the Dems

[IceSpear]

Baring real structural change to the economy, people will vote based on whether or not they suspect they will be receiving welfare (Democrats) or paying for welfare (Republicans).

/looks at Kentucky and West Virginia

Apparently not.

I love how you think the GOP deserves the blame for the economic situation in WV despite the fact that before 2014 the Dems totally controlled WV for 80 years .



If any party is to blame it is clearly the Dems

How exactly is this relevant to Famous Mortimer's post or my rebuttal?

[OSR stands with Israel]

Baring real structural change to the economy, people will vote based on whether or not they suspect they will be receiving welfare (Democrats) or paying for welfare (Republicans).

/looks at Kentucky and West Virginia

Apparently not.

I love how you think the GOP deserves the blame for the economic situation in WV despite the fact that before 2014 the Dems totally controlled WV for 80 years .



If any party is to blame it is clearly the Dems

How exactly is this relevant to Famous Mortimer's post or my rebuttal?

Well your reasoning of why Appalachia is red is wrong

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

No, the Occupy Washington Movement includes the unemployed and underemployed. November verdict proves that just because there are jobs, Latinos, Blacks and Females still are considered working poor. Looking for Dems to turn things around.

[Progressive Pessimist]

When the economy is doing well, no one gives a sh**t about the economy.  When the economy is doing badly, people vote for Democrats to fix it.  That's what happened in 2008, and it also happened this year in Kansas.

True. And when the economy is good people also seem to get complacent and let Republicans take power again only for them to f*** it up and renew the cycle. Voters will never learn.

[completely dead account]

Of course the economy matter! But some people aren't getting it. The stocks are rising and unemployment is lowering... but the living standards have dropped.