Tim Ryan and Seth Moulton trying to unseat Pelosi

[Mr. Smith]

If this kind of garbage is the opposition to Pelosi, then I want Pelosi to retain her speakership.

[Joey1996]

Isn't anyone challenging Hoyer or Clyburn? How much longer do these 3 plan on remaining in leadership?

[Ye We Can]

They do have the votes. I think it's easily likely that at least 20 Democrats will vote against her. It is not clear however how many R's will tactically vote or if the leadership can throw some bogus rules change out before the vote.

[America Needs R'hllor]

The top 3 Democrats (Pelosi, Hoyer, and Clyburn are all 78 or older.

Is that not a problem?  I think dumping Pelosi would be a bad move, but the other leadership positions ought to be filled with prospective future Speakers. 

Agreed. This current challenge misses the point and is part of the fear-mongering and demonization of Speaker Pelosi, ignoring the other two who don't contribute as much as her when it comes to political skills and fundraising.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

The top 3 Democrats (Pelosi, Hoyer, and Clyburn are all 78 or older.

Is that not a problem?  I think dumping Pelosi would be a bad move, but the other leadership positions ought to be filled with prospective future Speakers. 

Agreed. This current challenge misses the point and is part of the fear-mongering and demonization of Speaker Pelosi, ignoring the other two who don't contribute as much as her when it comes to political skills and fundraising.

I don't see where Pelosi is the problem.  The Speaker of the House is always a lightning rod for the party, and always gets heat. 

The others, however, are almost an "American Politburo" given their ages.  They remind me of the last years of Brezhnev when old men Andropov and Chernenko stood in the wings.  Each one got their turn and each one died about a year into their rule. 

I know this is an unfair comparison, but that's sort of how it comes off.  Hoyer and Clyburn come off as old hacks, and that's what they are at this point.  Say what you will about the GOP; their leadership in the House comes off as appearing more modern and up-to-date (at least cosmetically).

[MichaelRbn]

Yeah, that bunch of forty something white guys is totally representative of the US.

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

Yes, boys, Republicans will totally respect a black woman from a city that's a national punchline for its economic stagnation more than Pelosi. As soon as Marcia takes the gavel Republican fearmongering about the figurehead of the caucus will immediately cease.

Sure, but it would take a couple of years for it to reach critical mass on someone who's starting out with zero name recognition, just like it took a few years for Pelosi to become so unpopular.  From a crass political perspective, I think it's in both party's interests to replace their congressional leadership every four years or so, because every congressional leader becomes unpopular within a few years.

This type of argument applies to hypothetical House Speaker Cheri Bustos. It doesn't apply to hypothetical House Speaker Marcia Fudge, who the average voter probably thinks is the same person as Maxine Waters anyway.

Even Maxine Waters would be preferable. She's just as hated, but at least she gives the Right something to hate her for instead of preaching bipartisanship.

[RogueBeaver]

Fudge tells Fuller that Pelosi's an elitist and doesn't think she's done enough for African Americans in Congress. Claims she doesn't sponsor the Equality Act because she doesn't want to reopen the Civil Rights Act with a racist president.

https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1063110308733038592

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

Fudge tells Fuller that Pelosi's an elitist and doesn't think she's done enough for African Americans in Congress. Claims she doesn't sponsor the Equality Act because she doesn't want to reopen the Civil Rights Act with a racist president.

https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1063110308733038592

Fudge is a major FF for that. Talk about viciousness that we need from a House Speaker. 

[President Johnson]

The top 3 Democrats (Pelosi, Hoyer, and Clyburn are all 78 or older.

Is that not a problem?  I think dumping Pelosi would be a bad move, but the other leadership positions ought to be filled with prospective future Speakers. 

Agreed. This current challenge misses the point and is part of the fear-mongering and demonization of Speaker Pelosi, ignoring the other two who don't contribute as much as her when it comes to political skills and fundraising.

Agree. Pelosi should be a "bridge" for someone new. Maybe not Ryan or Moulton, though.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

I hope Pelosi effectively ends Ryan, Moulton, and Fudge’s careers in January. Strip then of their committee memberships and banish them to back-bencher obscurity until they lose primary challenges in 2020.

[ProudModerate2]

I hope Pelosi effectively ends Ryan, Moulton, and Fudge’s careers in January. Strip then of their committee memberships and banish them to back-bencher obscurity until they lose primary challenges in 2020.

It could happen.
Remember what Boehner did when he punished a number of his people for straying way-off-line.

[Unbeatable Titan Susan Collins]

I hope Pelosi effectively ends Ryan, Moulton, and Fudge’s careers in January. Strip then of their committee memberships and banish them to back-bencher obscurity until they lose primary challenges in 2020.

I can't speak for the others but Moulton is secure in his seat from a challenge

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

Goodness, Pelosi isn't entitled to that seat; She has to earn it. Things important like leadership shouldn't be cakewalks for a living relic to the DLC days.

[Yank2133]

I hope Pelosi effectively ends Ryan, Moulton, and Fudge’s careers in January. Strip then of their committee memberships and banish them to back-bencher obscurity until they lose primary challenges in 2020.

I can't speak for the others but Moulton is secure in his seat from a challenge

That is what IDC members in NY thought and look what happened.

IF Moulton gambit results in McCarthy becoming speaker, then he is done in Democratic politics.

[Florida Man for Crime]

Pelosi will give Trump hell and deserves to stay.

Yeah, at the end of the day I trust Pelosi more than some completely unknown ("someone else") to face down Trump and handle the choppy waters that are coming over the next two years. The stakes are high to have the Speakership not F***ed up over the next two years, and while Pelosi may not do a perfect job, she is also less likely to completely F*** it up than any possible newcomer.

[Florida Man for Crime]

The top 3 Democrats (Pelosi, Hoyer, and Clyburn are all 78 or older.

Is that not a problem?  I think dumping Pelosi would be a bad move, but the other leadership positions ought to be filled with prospective future Speakers. 

Not an unfair argument. But then the young guns should really be challenging Hoyer and Clyburn rather than Pelosi, per se.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Pelosi will give Trump hell and deserves to stay.

Yeah, at the end of the day I trust Pelosi more than some completely unknown ("someone else") to face down Trump and handle the choppy waters that are coming over the next two years. The stakes are high to have the Speakership not F***ed up over the next two years, and while Pelosi may not do a perfect job, she is also less likely to completely F*** it up than any possible newcomer.

Had she not immediately followed a solid with calls for "bipartisanship" I could agree. As it is, I fully expect a Pelosi-led house to destroy anti-GOP unity, leading to a 2020 that is far better for the GOP than currently predicted.

[Florida Man for Crime]

Had she not immediately followed a solid with calls for "bipartisanship" I could agree. As it is, I fully expect a Pelosi-led house to destroy anti-GOP unity, leading to a 2020 that is far better for the GOP than currently predicted.

What makes you think that talking about "bipartisanship" is anything other than rhetoric? What exactly do you expect her to do that is bipartisan and is so terrible? If you think she is going to agree to gut social security or anything like that, just look at how she approached that when Bush wanted to do that.

I don't really see much reason to think that anything actually "bipartisan" other than maybe (maybe) an infrastructure bill or something might happen. And if so, fine.

[Badger]

Give her the Speakership, and let her announce in about a year she's not running for re-election. She'll be the perfect foil against Trump until Democrats have a presumptive nominee sometime in 2020, and it'll be tough to run against her much when she's stepping down.

Hopefully Clyburn and Hoyer will step down by 2020 too. Or if we have to, just Hoyer and give Clyburn a term as the first A-A Speaker (a nice bit of history), then he can retire his old butt too.

The potential replacements to Pelosi are currently sub-par. Have the position open up, and we'll get good candidates.