War on Terror veterans’ committing suicide at record rates

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/26/suicide-rate-young-us-veterans-jumps

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We need to stress mental health access second, and not going to useless wars first.

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The whole idea of killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims as part of a "war on terror" was completely Orwellian.

[JA]

These folks are suffering from untreated or mistreated PTSD that the government simply doesn’t want to admit exists en masse among veterans of foreign wars. The terrible quality of treatment they receive, the stigma associated with mental illness, and the risks associated with revealing your symptoms to your superiors are all contributing to this worsening situation. We desperately need a VA and support system of social workers dedicated to helping these people who were, largely, duped into joining by predatory recruiters preying upon the underprivileged and desperate.

[Technocracy Timmy]

helping these people who were, largely, duped into joining by predatory recruiters preying upon the underprivileged and desperate.

This use to be true when the draft was in effect but the all volunteer military today does not skew towards the poor and disadvantaged. There are issues where military recruiters have been known to target poorer and working class areas but at the end of the day the demographic makeup of the people who enlist in the US military by and large come from generic middle class families.


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helping these people who were, largely, duped into joining by predatory recruiters preying upon the underprivileged and desperate.

This use to be true when the draft was in effect but the all volunteer military today does not skew towards the poor and disadvantaged. There are issues where military recruiters have been known to target poorer and working class areas but at the end of the day the demographic makeup of the people who enlist in the US military by and large come from generic middle class families.


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That's by neighborhood.

[Technocracy Timmy]

helping these people who were, largely, duped into joining by predatory recruiters preying upon the underprivileged and desperate.

This use to be true when the draft was in effect but the all volunteer military today does not skew towards the poor and disadvantaged. There are issues where military recruiters have been known to target poorer and working class areas but at the end of the day the demographic makeup of the people who enlist in the US military by and large come from generic middle class families.


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That's by neighborhood.

Yes but you can’t exactly measure an 18-22 year old’s income and get an accurate read (cuz few that age are making enough money to judge) and enlistees aren’t required to put down how much their family makes. The only way to get a read on it is to gauge how much the neighborhood they enlisted from makes.

Furthermore, why is the military whiter than average (especially given that millenials aged 18-34 are only about 55% nonhispanic white) when minorities are the ones who skew towards having a lower socioeconomic status?

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helping these people who were, largely, duped into joining by predatory recruiters preying upon the underprivileged and desperate.

This use to be true when the draft was in effect but the all volunteer military today does not skew towards the poor and disadvantaged. There are issues where military recruiters have been known to target poorer and working class areas but at the end of the day the demographic makeup of the people who enlist in the US military by and large come from generic middle class families.


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That's by neighborhood.

Yes but you can’t exactly measure an 18-22 year old’s income and get an accurate read (cuz few that age are making enough money to judge) and enlistees aren’t required to put down how much their family makes. The only way to get a read on it is to gauge how much the neighborhood they enlisted from makes.

Furthermore, why is the military whiter than average (especially given that millenials aged 18-34 are only about 55% nonhispanic white) when it’s minorities who skew towards having a lower socioeconomic status?

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https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/167011

[Technocracy Timmy]

helping these people who were, largely, duped into joining by predatory recruiters preying upon the underprivileged and desperate.

This use to be true when the draft was in effect but the all volunteer military today does not skew towards the poor and disadvantaged. There are issues where military recruiters have been known to target poorer and working class areas but at the end of the day the demographic makeup of the people who enlist in the US military by and large come from generic middle class families.


Source.

That's by neighborhood.

Yes but you can’t exactly measure an 18-22 year old’s income and get an accurate read (cuz few that age are making enough money to judge) and enlistees aren’t required to put down how much their family makes. The only way to get a read on it is to gauge how much the neighborhood they enlisted from makes.

Furthermore, why is the military whiter than average (especially given that millenials aged 18-34 are only about 55% nonhispanic white) when it’s minorities who skew towards having a lower socioeconomic status?

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https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/167011

Your article deals specifically with those who have been casualties. The vast, vast majority of military personnel are not frontline troops or special operators. 80% of the military are non-combat roles which makes sense for a country that has dozens of bases across the globe in non-combat zones. Even in active war zones you still need people to work in the supply chains, on the bases away from the conflict, etc.

The underlying factors as to why rural military personnel choose to be infantry, marines, and other combat roles can be discussed, but that doesn’t change the fact that when you sum up the other 80% that don’t see combat (along with those in the 20% that were never injured), the military isn’t just a service operated by the poor (or even skews heavily towards the poor).

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helping these people who were, largely, duped into joining by predatory recruiters preying upon the underprivileged and desperate.

This use to be true when the draft was in effect but the all volunteer military today does not skew towards the poor and disadvantaged. There are issues where military recruiters have been known to target poorer and working class areas but at the end of the day the demographic makeup of the people who enlist in the US military by and large come from generic middle class families.


Source.

That's by neighborhood.

Yes but you can’t exactly measure an 18-22 year old’s income and get an accurate read (cuz few that age are making enough money to judge) and enlistees aren’t required to put down how much their family makes. The only way to get a read on it is to gauge how much the neighborhood they enlisted from makes.

Furthermore, why is the military whiter than average (especially given that millenials aged 18-34 are only about 55% nonhispanic white) when it’s minorities who skew towards having a lower socioeconomic status?

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https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/167011

Your article deals specifically with those who have been casualties. The vast, vast majority of military personnel are not frontline troops or special operators. 80% of the military are non-combat roles which makes sense for a country that has dozens of bases across the globe in non-combat zones. Even in active war zones you still need people to work in the supply chains, on the bases away from the conflict, etc.

The underlying factors as to why rural military personnel choose to be infantry, marines, and other combat roles can be discussed, but that doesn’t change the fact that when you sum up the other 80% that don’t see combat (along with those in the 20% that were never injured), the military isn’t just a service operated by the poor (or even skews heavily towards the poor).

Well, the poorer people are probably more likely to end up as cannon fodder, while the richer people take safer positions.

[Technocracy Timmy]

Well, the poorer people are probably more likely to end up as cannon fodder, while the richer people take safer positions.

Yeah but they specifically chose to be infrantry, special ops, etc. The vast majority of the time those that enlist without a job guaranteed in writing will be recycled into the needs of whatever branch they’re serving in. The jobs that are lowest in demand and often need to be filled are things like supply, cleaning, cooks, etc. Basically all the boring menial crap is what recruits who get the short end of the stick end up with. The infantry and other combat jobs surprisingly don’t have a low supply of recruits who actively want those jobs.

[dead0man]

Well, the poorer people are probably more likely to end up as cannon fodder, while the richer people take safer positions.

possibly, but the point was that the military isn't full of poor people like the conventional wisdom suggests.  Poor people tend to be dumb, the military doesn't "do" dumb anymore.

[Silent Hunter]

One point to make is that with modern medical treatment, wounds that would have killed you in Vietnam now just result in life-changing injuries. There are more wounded veterans surviving their injuries to get PTSD.