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« on: August 13, 2018, 08:22:04 AM »

Kavanaugh Thinks It’s Okay to Perform Elective Surgery on People Without Their Consent

NCIL Opposes Nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to U.S. Supreme Court
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These surgeries could include abortions. Plus, as the NCIL statement explains, there's a trend of discrimination against individuals with disabilities. It's disgusting.
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2018, 09:43:36 AM »

With the rise of the Alt-Right, the renewed talk about race and IQ, and court decisions like this, we are heading down a disturbing road to the re-introduction of eugenics. I also worry that Roe v Wade has become such a shibboleth that some on the Left and Center-Left would support a return of eugenics if it meant that the right to abortion was preserved.
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2018, 12:14:27 PM »

With the rise of the Alt-Right, the renewed talk about race and IQ, and court decisions like this, we are heading down a disturbing road to the re-introduction of eugenics. I also worry that Roe v Wade has become such a shibboleth that some on the Left and Center-Left would support a return of eugenics if it meant that the right to abortion was preserved.

Due to miscegenation, the concept of race is itself ambiguous. If there are such things as "white genes" and "black genes", then someone 3/4 white and 1/4 black who looks black to practically all white people probably has largely "white genes" even if that person has the one dominant gene (M1CR) that most contributes to dark skin color that has the most obvious effect in establishing the perception of 'race', but none on intellect. The large Hispanic population includes great numbers of people who present ambiguity on 'race'.

IQ is heavily inherited, so even if it has a strong correlation to race (white racists beware -- you have given a tool to East Asians that gives them the claim to racial superiority on the basis of intelligence, so you have a weapon that backfires). But it isn't fully inherited. One thing that I notice about brilliant people is that they are industrious at what they do. People who grow up in a culture that promote curiosity and rewards legitimate achievement fare better than people of similar innate intelligence. People for whom work is ill-rewarded drudgery tend to goldbrick and look for easy diversions.

So if I look for anything worthy of correlation to intelligence, then look to the rewards, some monetary and some spiritual or cultural, for work. The black bourgeoisie in America is smart and diligent -- and its kids will have big advantages over white kids from wrecked mining towns in West Virginia and eastern Kentucky.   
 
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2018, 12:25:35 PM »

With the rise of the Alt-Right, the renewed talk about race and IQ, and court decisions like this, we are heading down a disturbing road to the re-introduction of eugenics. I also worry that Roe v Wade has become such a shibboleth that some on the Left and Center-Left would support a return of eugenics if it meant that the right to abortion was preserved.

Due to miscegenation, the concept of race is itself ambiguous. If there are such things as "white genes" and "black genes", then someone 3/4 white and 1/4 black who looks black to practically all white people probably has largely "white genes" even if that person has the one dominant gene (M1CR) that most contributes to dark skin color that has the most obvious effect in establishing the perception of 'race', but none on intellect. The large Hispanic population includes great numbers of people who present ambiguity on 'race'.

IQ is heavily inherited, so even if it has a strong correlation to race (white racists beware -- you have given a tool to East Asians that gives them the claim to racial superiority on the basis of intelligence, so you have a weapon that backfires). But it isn't fully inherited. One thing that I notice about brilliant people is that they are industrious at what they do. People who grow up in a culture that promote curiosity and rewards legitimate achievement fare better than people of similar innate intelligence. People for whom work is ill-rewarded drudgery tend to goldbrick and look for easy diversions.

So if I look for anything worthy of correlation to intelligence, then look to the rewards, some monetary and some spiritual or cultural, for work. The black bourgeoisie in America is smart and diligent -- and its kids will have big advantages over white kids from wrecked mining towns in West Virginia and eastern Kentucky.   
 
Well said, pbrower2a. You make many good points. Perhaps I missed the connection to Judge Kavanaugh and the rights of the disabled?
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2018, 12:35:40 PM »

With the rise of the Alt-Right, the renewed talk about race and IQ, and court decisions like this, we are heading down a disturbing road to the re-introduction of eugenics. I also worry that Roe v Wade has become such a shibboleth that some on the Left and Center-Left would support a return of eugenics if it meant that the right to abortion was preserved.

I think we can safely say those who support Roe v Wade are opposed to Kavanaugh. What I worry about is that we will have a patchwork of state laws for a civil rights issue, and that all hope of abolishing the horrendous late term abortion in particular will be erased in the name of "states' rights."
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2018, 02:55:29 PM »

With the rise of the Alt-Right, the renewed talk about race and IQ, and court decisions like this, we are heading down a disturbing road to the re-introduction of eugenics. I also worry that Roe v Wade has become such a shibboleth that some on the Left and Center-Left would support a return of eugenics if it meant that the right to abortion was preserved.

Due to miscegenation, the concept of race is itself ambiguous. If there are such things as "white genes" and "black genes", then someone 3/4 white and 1/4 black who looks black to practically all white people probably has largely "white genes" even if that person has the one dominant gene (M1CR) that most contributes to dark skin color that has the most obvious effect in establishing the perception of 'race', but none on intellect. The large Hispanic population includes great numbers of people who present ambiguity on 'race'.

IQ is heavily inherited, so even if it has a strong correlation to race (white racists beware -- you have given a tool to East Asians that gives them the claim to racial superiority on the basis of intelligence, so you have a weapon that backfires). But it isn't fully inherited. One thing that I notice about brilliant people is that they are industrious at what they do. People who grow up in a culture that promote curiosity and rewards legitimate achievement fare better than people of similar innate intelligence. People for whom work is ill-rewarded drudgery tend to goldbrick and look for easy diversions.

So if I look for anything worthy of correlation to intelligence, then look to the rewards, some monetary and some spiritual or cultural, for work. The black bourgeoisie in America is smart and diligent -- and its kids will have big advantages over white kids from wrecked mining towns in West Virginia and eastern Kentucky.   
 
Well said, pbrower2a. You make many good points. Perhaps I missed the connection to Judge Kavanaugh and the rights of the disabled?

Disability includes learning disabilities.

There are people with disabilities that, if handled properly, might not preclude someone from being a full participant in the economy. Consider what I have: Asperger's. I'm smart, and as long as I have a focus... I can do things. Unfortunately it comes with some problems -- inappropriate expressions, difficulty with eye contact, inability to withstand noise, and rigid thought. I have always done badly in  job interviews. I found out that I had Asperger's only when I was sixty... imagine how different things would be for me if I had found out about it in my twenties or thirties. I'd probably have a family life complete with children. Adopted ones, of course. I'd have seen much more of the world than I have seen -- the one thing that I most regret because I lacked the funds.

I would also be a taxpayer, and maybe my politics would be different.
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2018, 03:01:57 PM »

With the rise of the Alt-Right, the renewed talk about race and IQ, and court decisions like this, we are heading down a disturbing road to the re-introduction of eugenics. I also worry that Roe v Wade has become such a shibboleth that some on the Left and Center-Left would support a return of eugenics if it meant that the right to abortion was preserved.

Due to miscegenation, the concept of race is itself ambiguous. If there are such things as "white genes" and "black genes", then someone 3/4 white and 1/4 black who looks black to practically all white people probably has largely "white genes" even if that person has the one dominant gene (M1CR) that most contributes to dark skin color that has the most obvious effect in establishing the perception of 'race', but none on intellect. The large Hispanic population includes great numbers of people who present ambiguity on 'race'.

IQ is heavily inherited, so even if it has a strong correlation to race (white racists beware -- you have given a tool to East Asians that gives them the claim to racial superiority on the basis of intelligence, so you have a weapon that backfires). But it isn't fully inherited. One thing that I notice about brilliant people is that they are industrious at what they do. People who grow up in a culture that promote curiosity and rewards legitimate achievement fare better than people of similar innate intelligence. People for whom work is ill-rewarded drudgery tend to goldbrick and look for easy diversions.

So if I look for anything worthy of correlation to intelligence, then look to the rewards, some monetary and some spiritual or cultural, for work. The black bourgeoisie in America is smart and diligent -- and its kids will have big advantages over white kids from wrecked mining towns in West Virginia and eastern Kentucky.   
 
Well said, pbrower2a. You make many good points. Perhaps I missed the connection to Judge Kavanaugh and the rights of the disabled?

Disability includes learning disabilities.

There are people with disabilities that, if handled properly, might not preclude someone from being a full participant in the economy. Consider what I have: Asperger's. I'm smart, and as long as I have a focus... I can do things. Unfortunately it comes with some problems -- inappropriate expressions, difficulty with eye contact, inability to withstand noise, and rigid thought. I have always done badly in  job interviews. I found out that I had Asperger's only when I was sixty... imagine how different things would be for me if I had found out about it in my twenties or thirties. I'd probably have a family life complete with children. Adopted ones, of course. I'd have seen much more of the world than I have seen -- the one thing that I most regret because I lacked the funds.

I would also be a taxpayer, and maybe my politics would be different.
From a fellow Aspie, thank you for the clarification.
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