Is Impeachment Becoming More Likely?

[Izzyeviel]

The Pres will never be impeached, under any circumstances,

Which should never be the case even for a president who isn't corrupt & dangerous like Trump is. It should always be there.

[brucejoel99]

Yes, but I doubt he actually gets removed.

[Peanut]

There's more chance that Martians will come invade earth then there are that Republicans will stand up to up Trump and defend America & the Constitution.

[Peanut]

While conventional wisdom suggests that Trump is unlikely to be thrown out of office by impeachment, we should remember that Nixon also seemed safe before July 1974. It took only a matter of days for him to lose the necessary support to survive impeachment. If enough Republicans feel that continuing to support Trump would amount to electoral poison, that’s when Trump would be doomed. While we don’t know what would be necessary to make that happen, I don’t think we should preemptively dismiss this possibility.

When talking about 1974, you're talking of a time when there were two parties in America, not a party and a cult. Republican leaders are no longer Rockefeller, Ford, heck, even Agnew is an epitome of decency when compared to the current GOP leadership.

When a political group defines itself by its sole allegiance to and their stubborn defense of a man who spits in the face of the principles they claim to champion, it is no longer a party, it is a cult.

When you have a group that quite blatantly and literally doesn't care for any kind of rational discussion or compromise, that's not a political party.

When an elephant is more important than a star-spangled banner, you don't have patriotism.

When intellectual and scientific facts are disregarded as mere "theories" or even "liberal propaganda", that's a problem.

When a party has extremes in the level of legitimate Neo-Nazis and has the shamelessness to claim that "both sides do it", that's not a party, that's a coalition of the very thing we worked to stamp out during the last century.

When you have someone who, leaving aside any and all accusations, is running for the world's greatest deliberative chamber while claiming that an America with slavery was better, with the President's endorsement to top it off, you have a party leadership that has abandoned every shred of decency or of respect it might have once had. You have a party that is betraying its earliest leaders, that is completely disregarding the precepts upon which it was founded.

When a party quite literally disregards the Constitution for political gain, that's worrying. That's a problem.

Do you really believe that the present-day GOP will vote to convict the leader of their cult? Do you really believe a leadership guilty of everything I mentioned will take up the mantle, start being a little consistent, and say "this isn't right"? Do you believe that the United States Senate is going to step out of a phantom of ideological purity and to abandon a "trigger the libs" mentality, to truly stand up for the "decency" or "values" they so fervently proclaim? I don't.

Cooperation is not poison. The Republicans have ceased to understand this. They were more focused on opposing a President and a Secretary of State than on working together, and then, they sealed their own fate. They have made themselves poison to many, many Americans. They don't know what they stand for, they take personal freedoms and disregard them completely, they insult their claim to fight for the little guy. And they have lost sight of reason and of country. It would take something huge, something incredibly damning, for Trump to be convicted by the Senate and it is my personal opinion that that will not happen.

I have a lot of respect for a lot of Republican voters I know. I respect the friendly ones, the ones who do not hate a Hispanic or black individual when they first see them, I respect the ones willing to admit that no, both sides don't do it. I know that they truly believe they are voting to make this country better, and I know why some feel forgotten, why they feel the establishment needs a middle finger, why they are afraid of the future.  I detest candidates and politicians that harness this fear for political gain. I believe this voters are making the wrong choice to lead them, and I believe that they will come to understand that they're voting against themselves.

I have no respect for Mitch McConnell and his like. I have lost all belief that he, and a lot of people in Republican leadership, will do the right thing for once. I have lost all belief that he would put country ahead of party. I do not believe that they would convict Trump, even when it would be better for them, that's the extent of the cult.

Nevertheless, one can hope they'll prove me wrong.

[Izzyeviel]

While conventional wisdom suggests that Trump is unlikely to be thrown out of office by impeachment, we should remember that Nixon also seemed safe before July 1974. It took only a matter of days for him to lose the necessary support to survive impeachment. If enough Republicans feel that continuing to support Trump would amount to electoral poison, that’s when Trump would be doomed. While we don’t know what would be necessary to make that happen, I don’t think we should preemptively dismiss this possibility.

When talking about 1974, you're talking of a time when there were two parties in America, not a party and a cult. Republican leaders are no longer Rockefeller, Ford, heck, even Agnew is an epitome of decency when compared to the current GOP leadership.

When a political group defines itself by its sole allegiance to and their stubborn defense of a man who spits in the face of the principles they claim to champion, it is no longer a party, it is a cult.

When you have a group that quite blatantly and literally doesn't care for any kind of rational discussion or compromise, that's not a political party.

When an elephant is more important than a star-spangled banner, you don't have patriotism.

When intellectual and scientific facts are disregarded as mere "theories" or even "liberal propaganda", that's a problem.

When a party has extremes in the level of legitimate Neo-Nazis and has the shamelessness to claim that "both sides do it", that's not a party, that's a coalition of the very thing we worked to stamp out during the last century.

When you have someone who, leaving aside any and all accusations, is running for the world's greatest deliberative chamber while claiming that an America with slavery was better, with the President's endorsement to top it off, you have a party leadership that has abandoned every shred of decency or of respect it might have once had. You have a party that is betraying its earliest leaders, that is completely disregarding the precepts upon which it was founded.

When a party quite literally disregards the Constitution for political gain, that's worrying. That's a problem.

Do you really believe that the present-day GOP will vote to convict the leader of their cult? Do you really believe a leadership guilty of everything I mentioned will take up the mantle, start being a little consistent, and say "this isn't right"? Do you believe that the United States Senate is going to step out of a phantom of ideological purity and to abandon a "trigger the libs" mentality, to truly stand up for the "decency" or "values" they so fervently proclaim? I don't.

Cooperation is not poison. The Republicans have ceased to understand this. They were more focused on opposing a President and a Secretary of State than on working together, and then, they sealed their own fate. They have made themselves poison to many, many Americans. They don't know what they stand for, they take personal freedoms and disregard them completely, they insult their claim to fight for the little guy. And they have lost sight of reason and of country. It would take something huge, something incredibly damning, for Trump to be convicted by the Senate and it is my personal opinion that that will not happen.

I have a lot of respect for a lot of Republican voters I know. I respect the friendly ones, the ones who do not hate a Hispanic or black individual when they first see them, I respect the ones willing to admit that no, both sides don't do it. I know that they truly believe they are voting to make this country better, and I know why some feel forgotten, why they feel the establishment needs a middle finger, why they are afraid of the future.  I detest candidates and politicians that harness this fear for political gain. I believe this voters are making the wrong choice to lead them, and I believe that they will come to understand that they're voting against themselves.

I have no respect for Mitch McConnell and his like. I have lost all belief that he, and a lot of people in Republican leadership, will do the right thing for once. I have lost all belief that he would put country ahead of party. I do not believe that they would convict Trump, even when it would be better for them, that's the extent of the cult.

Nevertheless, one can hope they'll prove me wrong.

This is a great post.

[Badger]

While conventional wisdom suggests that Trump is unlikely to be thrown out of office by impeachment, we should remember that Nixon also seemed safe before July 1974. It took only a matter of days for him to lose the necessary support to survive impeachment. If enough Republicans feel that continuing to support Trump would amount to electoral poison, that’s when Trump would be doomed. While we don’t know what would be necessary to make that happen, I don’t think we should preemptively dismiss this possibility.

When talking about 1974, you're talking of a time when there were two parties in America, not a party and a cult. Republican leaders are no longer Rockefeller, Ford, heck, even Agnew is an epitome of decency when compared to the current GOP leadership.

When a political group defines itself by its sole allegiance to and their stubborn defense of a man who spits in the face of the principles they claim to champion, it is no longer a party, it is a cult.

When you have a group that quite blatantly and literally doesn't care for any kind of rational discussion or compromise, that's not a political party.

When an elephant is more important than a star-spangled banner, you don't have patriotism.

When intellectual and scientific facts are disregarded as mere "theories" or even "liberal propaganda", that's a problem.

When a party has extremes in the level of legitimate Neo-Nazis and has the shamelessness to claim that "both sides do it", that's not a party, that's a coalition of the very thing we worked to stamp out during the last century.

When you have someone who, leaving aside any and all accusations, is running for the world's greatest deliberative chamber while claiming that an America with slavery was better, with the President's endorsement to top it off, you have a party leadership that has abandoned every shred of decency or of respect it might have once had. You have a party that is betraying its earliest leaders, that is completely disregarding the precepts upon which it was founded.

When a party quite literally disregards the Constitution for political gain, that's worrying. That's a problem.

Do you really believe that the present-day GOP will vote to convict the leader of their cult? Do you really believe a leadership guilty of everything I mentioned will take up the mantle, start being a little consistent, and say "this isn't right"? Do you believe that the United States Senate is going to step out of a phantom of ideological purity and to abandon a "trigger the libs" mentality, to truly stand up for the "decency" or "values" they so fervently proclaim? I don't.

Cooperation is not poison. The Republicans have ceased to understand this. They were more focused on opposing a President and a Secretary of State than on working together, and then, they sealed their own fate. They have made themselves poison to many, many Americans. They don't know what they stand for, they take personal freedoms and disregard them completely, they insult their claim to fight for the little guy. And they have lost sight of reason and of country. It would take something huge, something incredibly damning, for Trump to be convicted by the Senate and it is my personal opinion that that will not happen.

I have a lot of respect for a lot of Republican voters I know. I respect the friendly ones, the ones who do not hate a Hispanic or black individual when they first see them, I respect the ones willing to admit that no, both sides don't do it. I know that they truly believe they are voting to make this country better, and I know why some feel forgotten, why they feel the establishment needs a middle finger, why they are afraid of the future.  I detest candidates and politicians that harness this fear for political gain. I believe this voters are making the wrong choice to lead them, and I believe that they will come to understand that they're voting against themselves.

I have no respect for Mitch McConnell and his like. I have lost all belief that he, and a lot of people in Republican leadership, will do the right thing for once. I have lost all belief that he would put country ahead of party. I do not believe that they would convict Trump, even when it would be better for them, that's the extent of the cult.

Nevertheless, one can hope they'll prove me wrong.

This is a great post.