Would you rather live in the Republic of Minnesota or the Republic of Utah?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Utah. Not ideal, far from it, but better than this proposed hellhole.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

You never did answer my question, BRTD. Why should I sacrifice every other right just so that I have unlimited access to sex and drugs, neither of which appeals to me in the least bit? What is so important about sex such that I, or anyone else who's actually sane for that matter, would give up having food, private schools (which I basically attended for the past twelve years), suburban housing (which I live in right now), and so forth just for sex? You and your fellow sexaholic loonies can have your own rape- and STD-filled community up in Minnesota, but don't assume that I won't consider giving Jake money so he can buy nuclear weapons to blow it up. I wouldn't want to live in a sordid, starving, overall crappy urban government-owned community with strip dancers downstairs and potheads upstairs, not to mention strippers, seedy jerks, government agents, and so forth on the overcrowded street. Not very safe. I wouldn't want to get raped either.

well if you like private schools and suburbs I guess you wouldn't like it, but I don't see any problems for me since everyone knows I would never do anything with those. However you would still have food, so I have no clue why you said you would have to give it up.

I'm also curious as to why you would want to nuke it. Don't like it, don't live there. What's the point of nuking a country just because you don't want to live there especially when the government is very anti-imperialist and would never committ aggression against another nation unprovoked?

Also why would you be more likely to get raped than you are now? Rape wouldn't be legal.

[Everett]

You never did answer my question, BRTD. Why should I sacrifice every other right just so that I have unlimited access to sex and drugs, neither of which appeals to me in the least bit? What is so important about sex such that I, or anyone else who's actually sane for that matter, would give up having food, private schools (which I basically attended for the past twelve years), suburban housing (which I live in right now), and so forth just for sex? You and your fellow sexaholic loonies can have your own rape- and STD-filled community up in Minnesota, but don't assume that I won't consider giving Jake money so he can buy nuclear weapons to blow it up. I wouldn't want to live in a sordid, starving, overall crappy urban government-owned community with strip dancers downstairs and potheads upstairs, not to mention strippers, seedy jerks, government agents, and so forth on the overcrowded street. Not very safe. I wouldn't want to get raped either.

well if you like private schools and suburbs I guess you wouldn't like it, but I don't see any problems for me since everyone knows I would never do anything with those. However you would still have food, so I have no clue why you said you would have to give it up.

I'm also curious as to why you would want to nuke it. Don't like it, don't live there. What's the point of nuking a country just because you don't want to live there especially when the government is very anti-imperialist and would never committ aggression against another nation unprovoked?

Also why would you be more likely to get raped than you are now? Rape wouldn't be legal.

Food, eh? Just ask John Dibble to lecture you on food supply. He's made countless rants about communist countries not being able to feed their people. And by food, I mean having actual food, not food once in a while, or food coupons, or food because the government decides to be merciful enough to spare the civilians some.

As for the bomb threats, you'll just have to ask Jake. He's in charge of blowing up your country apparently, as he originally mentioned blowing it up in this thread. Obviously I would be concerned if I was a neighbouring country, as I don't need a totalitarian cesspool sitting right next door. Besides, we might be getting refugees from your country, and I don't want that either.

Don't you expect crime rates to go up when there are drunks, potheads, strippers, starving people, and illegals everywhere? Get a sense of reality. Maybe you wouldn't have much to worry about, but someone like me would, and I would find a way to assassinate you and your cronies long before 'working in a strip club for two years'. Hah.

And you still haven't answered my question, by the way. How is sex more important than adequate food, freedom of choice for education, freedom of choice for residence, freedom of the press, and so forth?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Minnesota is a giant farming area. You can always get adequate food from there.

You do have freedom of choice for education if you're allowed to transfer to schools in another district, which you would be. All private schools do is provide a place for racist/classist people to dump their kids so they don't have to deal with poor/black people (Just as Harry says all the time, the main purpose private schools in Mississippi serve is allowing people to avoid having their kids to go to school with blacks) and cut down on freedom of opportunity.

Suburbs are bad for the environment, bad for food production (less sprawl = more farmland) and cause urban decay. Detroit actually used to be a prosperous city before the sprawl started.

This would have freedom of the press. Something the US doesn't. Look at all that nonsense over the Janet Jackson at the Super Bowl thing.

What you should answer is why I should care about private schools and suburbs, since they have never benefited me in any way and I have no use for them whatsoever.

[Everett]

Minnesota is a giant farming area. You can always get adequate food from there.

You do have freedom of choice for education if you're allowed to transfer to schools in another district, which you would be. All private schools do is provide a place for racist/classist people to dump their kids so they don't have to deal with poor/black people (Just as Harry says all the time, the main purpose private schools in Mississippi serve is allowing people to avoid having their kids to go to school with blacks) and cut down on freedom of opportunity.

Suburbs are bad for the environment, bad for food production (less sprawl = more farmland) and cause urban decay. Detroit actually used to be a prosperous city before the sprawl started.

This would have freedom of the press. Something the US doesn't. Look at all that nonsense over the Janet Jackson at the Super Bowl thing.

What you should answer is why I should care about private schools and suburbs, since they have never benefited me in any way and I have no use for them whatsoever.

It's like I described in my previous threads, Wal-Mart is banned and all its assetts have been forcibly siezed by the government, suburban development is prohibited, private schools and school uniforms banned

Give me evidence of how terrible suburbs are for the environment. And don't think that I am the only one who doesn't like urban environments. A lot of people don't. Personally, I have lived in urban places. I have been to many urban places. In fact, I went to one just last month and stayed there for a week. And I can safely say that the pollution is absolutely terrible for my respiratory system. At least I don't have to deal with smog and car exhaust all the time in my own city, which thankfully isn't condensed into one urban hellhole. I also don't have to deal with prostitutes sitting around on the sidewalk, thank god.

As for private schools, I did not attend an actual private school, but I imagine that you would want homeschooling banned as that generally falls under the classification of private schooling. I came up fine without being spoon-fed government nonsense in one of the crappy local public schools. At least my mother had the choice of not sending me to a terrible school or to an extremely expensive school. I don't take your opinions very seriously because you are incredibly bigoted against private schools for some reason or another, just as you are incredibly bigoted against suburbs for some reason or another. Grow. Up.

Freedom of the press...

fashion magazines that promote eating disorders are banned, mind-numbing pop culture such as anything that involves Paris Hilton is illegal

I am not going to answer your last remarks because you still haven't answered my original question. Why are you trying to answer my question with another question? Just explain to me why sex is so important that all other rights are suddenly insignificant. And don't come up with another stupid little question. Stop avoiding my original query already.

[ilikeverin]

Minnesota is a giant farming area. You can always get adequate food from there.

I believe the farmers would leave Minnesota if this ever happened.

[Hitchabrut]

Minnesota, liberal, but only liberal-leaning, would not comply with your extreme sex-based socialist government.

[Colin]

Minnesota is a giant farming area. You can always get adequate food from there.

Yes so was the Ukraine too. That didn't mean that the people in the USSR had food though.

[Cubby]

I'd rather die than live in filthy Mormon Utah.

I didn't even read most of the description of Minnesota. As long as a place is more free than Utah, I'll live there. From what I did read, MN sounds great.

[MaC]

hmm, Everett might be able to fend off rapists if guns are a right in this society.
 Also, she makes a good point.  Now you and I might enjoy getting laid every night, but what about those who don't want sex all the time.  Is it fair for them to pay taxes for our free health care?

[TeePee4Prez]

A little off the rocker there buddy.  Still voted MN, but I'd be sure to try and moderate your ass to say Joe Hoeffel/Pat Leahy territory.  Hedonism is good in small doses.  You are a bit too excessive my friend.  A big part of the reason I haven't had sex yet is because I don't try to pick up women for one night stands rather long term relationships.  I could be like my one friend who is very successful at it, but I coudl never bring myself to that, but I won't condemn anyone that has one night stands.  I also haven't been too successful in long term relationships, so maybe I should try something different.

[Storebought]

True freedom -- the ability to plan your own economic future, with security provided by the state to maintain contracts and private property -- lies with "Utah" in this scenario.

[MasterJedi]

Republic of Utah, it would be almost exactly the same the way it is now, while your country would be a hell hole. (literally)

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

GDP of State of Minnesota: $200 billion.

GDP of BRTD's Republic of Minnesota: 8 tie-died shirts and a hemp bracelet.