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« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2017, 11:54:19 PM »

RIP. I would've voted for him in 1980.

Death makes angels of us all, and gives us wings where we had shoulders, smooth as raven’s claws.
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« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2017, 12:17:53 AM »

RIP. I would've voted for him in 1980.

Death makes angels of us all, and gives us wings where we had shoulders, smooth as raven’s claws.

Ftr, I held this position for quite a while. Carter failed pretty badly as President and Reagan was absolutely unacceptable.
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« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2017, 02:26:06 AM »

Oh no, I hoped it was a different John Anderson rather than John B. Anderson when I read the headline.

RIP FF.
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« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2017, 04:58:39 AM »

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« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2017, 05:55:02 AM »

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« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2017, 06:35:53 AM »

RIP. I would've voted for him in 1980.

Death makes angels of us all, and gives us wings where we had shoulders, smooth as raven’s claws.

Ftr, I held this position for quite a while. Carter failed pretty badly as President and Reagan was absolutely unacceptable.

Yeah, I just wanted to use that quote to lampoon how people act in response to news like this.
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« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2017, 06:51:59 AM »

RIP. I would've voted for him in 1980.

Death makes angels of us all, and gives us wings where we had shoulders, smooth as raven’s claws.

Ftr, I held this position for quite a while. Carter failed pretty badly as President and Reagan was absolutely unacceptable.

The underlined statement is something folks have come to believe because people say it often enough.  It's simply not true.

Carter's record of getting his initiatives through Congress was surprisingly good, despite the personal low regard many members of Congress had for Carter.

Carter brokered a peace agreement between Egypt and Israel that, however frosty, stands to this day.  Without Egypt, the Middle Eastern Arab States cannot wage successful war against Israel.  It was an accomplishment that, under normal circumstances, would have guaranteed re-election.

Carter dealt with an unprecedented Hostage Crisis and achieved their return on the last day of his Administration.  There is evidence that he did this despite actual Republican attempts to delay the return until after the election.  There has been infinitely more investigation into Donald Trump and "collusion" than George H. W. Bush's alleged trip to Paris which resulted in delayed freedom for our Hostages, and this begs a "Why?" response.

Carter dealt with economic crises that were unprecedented and not of his making.  He dealt with a stagflation that resulted in relatively high unemployment coupled with rising energy prices and rising interest rates.  His moderate responses to this pleased no one; not enough deregulation for Republicans, not enough government intervention for liberals.  

I did not vote in the 1980 election for President.  I was a registered Democrat and I voted for Ted Kennedy in the primary.  I regret both decisions.  Had Carter been re-elected, the Democratic Party would be different today; it would have been more moderate and reasonable, yet more focused on programs to help working people and less on social liberalism.  This is the country's loss.

Anderson was a guy who, in his time, was a headline grabber; he was on the House Judiciary Committee that voted for impeachment of Nixon, and he was a social liberal, but a fiscal conservative deficit hawk.  His candidacy is the cause of the scope of Carter's debate; had Anderson not been a candidate, the race would have been closer, and Carter may well have won.  He was a decent man, but I am surprised that so many here who are liberal call Anderson an FF when his candidacy did much to help Ronald Reagan.
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« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2017, 08:10:11 AM »

RIP. I would've voted for him in 1980.

Death makes angels of us all, and gives us wings where we had shoulders, smooth as raven’s claws.

Ftr, I held this position for quite a while. Carter failed pretty badly as President and Reagan was absolutely unacceptable.

The underlined statement is something folks have come to believe because people say it often enough.  It's simply not true.

Carter's record of getting his initiatives through Congress was surprisingly good, despite the personal low regard many members of Congress had for Carter.

Carter brokered a peace agreement between Egypt and Israel that, however frosty, stands to this day.  Without Egypt, the Middle Eastern Arab States cannot wage successful war against Israel.  It was an accomplishment that, under normal circumstances, would have guaranteed re-election.

Carter dealt with an unprecedented Hostage Crisis and achieved their return on the last day of his Administration.  There is evidence that he did this despite actual Republican attempts to delay the return until after the election.  There has been infinitely more investigation into Donald Trump and "collusion" than George H. W. Bush's alleged trip to Paris which resulted in delayed freedom for our Hostages, and this begs a "Why?" response.

Carter dealt with economic crises that were unprecedented and not of his making.  He dealt with a stagflation that resulted in relatively high unemployment coupled with rising energy prices and rising interest rates.  His moderate responses to this pleased no one; not enough deregulation for Republicans, not enough government intervention for liberals.  

I did not vote in the 1980 election for President.  I was a registered Democrat and I voted for Ted Kennedy in the primary.  I regret both decisions.  Had Carter been re-elected, the Democratic Party would be different today; it would have been more moderate and reasonable, yet more focused on programs to help working people and less on social liberalism.  This is the country's loss.

Anderson was a guy who, in his time, was a headline grabber; he was on the House Judiciary Committee that voted for impeachment of Nixon, and he was a social liberal, but a fiscal conservative deficit hawk.  His candidacy is the cause of the scope of Carter's debate; had Anderson not been a candidate, the race would have been closer, and Carter may well have won.  He was a decent man, but I am surprised that so many here who are liberal call Anderson an FF when his candidacy did much to help Ronald Reagan.

I see what you're saying, and I don't know enough about Carter to argue. Much of it might well be true, though Carter's handling of the economy didn't seem very good.
But as for the Egyptian-Israeli agreement: I wouldn't attribute much credit to Carter. He might've been helpful, but virtually any President (other than an absolute failure like Trump) would've made no difference in the matter. The real heroes were Begin and Sadat, who brokered the peace agreement despite fierce opposition. It wasn't Carter who brokered Sadat's visit to Jerusalem (afaik), which was the main catalyst.
Just as we've seen in the attempts made by every American administration, the only way for peace between Israel and an Arabic country is courageous leaders on both sides willing to do that, and only some outside pressure. Begin and Sadat were the real heroes.
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« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2017, 08:40:51 AM »

RIP. I would've voted for him in 1980.

Death makes angels of us all, and gives us wings where we had shoulders, smooth as raven’s claws.

Ftr, I held this position for quite a while. Carter failed pretty badly as President and Reagan was absolutely unacceptable.

The underlined statement is something folks have come to believe because people say it often enough.  It's simply not true.

Carter's record of getting his initiatives through Congress was surprisingly good, despite the personal low regard many members of Congress had for Carter.

Carter brokered a peace agreement between Egypt and Israel that, however frosty, stands to this day.  Without Egypt, the Middle Eastern Arab States cannot wage successful war against Israel.  It was an accomplishment that, under normal circumstances, would have guaranteed re-election.

Carter dealt with an unprecedented Hostage Crisis and achieved their return on the last day of his Administration.  There is evidence that he did this despite actual Republican attempts to delay the return until after the election.  There has been infinitely more investigation into Donald Trump and "collusion" than George H. W. Bush's alleged trip to Paris which resulted in delayed freedom for our Hostages, and this begs a "Why?" response.

Carter dealt with economic crises that were unprecedented and not of his making.  He dealt with a stagflation that resulted in relatively high unemployment coupled with rising energy prices and rising interest rates.  His moderate responses to this pleased no one; not enough deregulation for Republicans, not enough government intervention for liberals.  

I did not vote in the 1980 election for President.  I was a registered Democrat and I voted for Ted Kennedy in the primary.  I regret both decisions.  Had Carter been re-elected, the Democratic Party would be different today; it would have been more moderate and reasonable, yet more focused on programs to help working people and less on social liberalism.  This is the country's loss.

Anderson was a guy who, in his time, was a headline grabber; he was on the House Judiciary Committee that voted for impeachment of Nixon, and he was a social liberal, but a fiscal conservative deficit hawk.  His candidacy is the cause of the scope of Carter's debate; had Anderson not been a candidate, the race would have been closer, and Carter may well have won.  He was a decent man, but I am surprised that so many here who are liberal call Anderson an FF when his candidacy did much to help Ronald Reagan.

The race would have been closer without Anderson, but Carter wouldn't have won.  Even if you assign the lion's share of Anderson votes to Carter, it wouldn't flip enough states to give Carter the election. 

There are also a couple of other factors to consider: first, the race wasn't perceived as being much in doubt near the end, and this likely gave some Democrats "permission" to vote for Anderson.  If the race had been more competitive, a lot of those Democrats would probably have come home for Carter.  Second, Anderson didn't only pull Democratic votes.  I was a Republican at the time, voting for Ford in '76 and supporting Howard Baker during the '80 primaries (though he didn't last long, unfortunately).  So I'm an Anderson voter that never would have voted for Carter, and I knew others with similar views.
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