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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2017, 01:15:03 AM »


I don't agree with what he said (assuming it was a serious comment), but he's put out some pretty funny press releases in the past. Either that or he's so senile that his staffers just get away with it.

https://www.salon.com/2017/09/13/senator-orrin-hatch-rolls-out-medical-marijuana-bill-loves-weed-puns/
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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2017, 02:55:35 PM »

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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2017, 10:51:39 PM »

Reagan and HW were so much better than Trump that its an insult to them to compare Trump with with them.

Dubya also was clearly better than Trump

They are all the same....only difference is W, H W, and Reagan knew how to behave.

Trump lies as much as W
Trump sexually assaults as much as HW
Trump's administration is still nowhere near as corrupt as Reagan's (who holds the record for something like 120 criminal violations)

Your fooling yourself thinking Republicans in the past were any better. It has always been a crooked party powered by resentment and religious fundamentalism


Reagan and HW in my opinion are the best presidents since Eisenhower , and I agree with most of Reagan policies especially his economic ones.



The reason I think Trump is significantly worse than those presidents are he is a far worse human being then any of them , he is extremely incompetent , and he's stupid(Reagan and HW were smart ) .

HW was competent...I will give you that. But Reagan was incompetent. His entire presidency was one long infomercial presenting a phony image of a man who never read memos and napped all day. His presidency was run by his cabinet who unlike Trump's were competent but the most corrupt in history.

Read the book Sleepwalking Through History if you want to know just how incompetent Reagan was. His entire presidency is myth stacked upon myth


Lets look a the record then



- Reagan reformed the tax code more comprehensively then any President since at least the 1930s

- Reagan significantly reduced the amount of regulations which existed before the 1980s

-  16 million jobs created, Inflation Cut Dramatically , Median Income Went UP

 - His economic policies dramatically increased the amount of money people invested in the economy(thus growing it)

- Reduced the influence of too powerful public sector unions

- Reversed the growth of Communism in the 3rd world

- The INF Treaty

- Started the trend of bringing high skilled immigrants into the US



Most of those are terrible things. One has to really stupid to argue about cutting environmental regulations. The Ozone Layer Depletion happened & Reagan did nothing. He gut the power of the unions & now workers have no payer & has seen real wages decline, jobs have left US & Minimum Wage has fallen in real $ terms. And then there is PNTR with China during Reagan's term which has caused millions of jobs to go to China.

Reagan was terrible on Poverty. Reagan tripled the National Debt & sort of pushed the country into bankruptcy, doubled military spending or even more & cut taxes on the wealthy & put a range of payroll, gas etc taxes on the middle class.

Reagan is responsible for the destruction of the middle class. There has been no Single President who has declared a war on the Middle & Working Class dividing the country in abortion, gay marriage stoking bigotry & racial tensions like Reagan has. He wrote the Original Playbook & started Voodoo Economics.

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« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2017, 11:59:34 AM »

Orrin Hatch: "Trump is one of the best presidents I served under"

He must joking, right? Tough decisions, LOL.

A clear sign Hatch needs to be replaced next year. I can't believe I say this, but I wish Mitt takes him on. So, run, Mitt, run!

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« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2017, 01:35:56 PM »

He doesn't want to get attacked by Trump.
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« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2017, 03:49:21 PM »

Reagan and HW were so much better than Trump that its an insult to them to compare Trump with with them.

Dubya also was clearly better than Trump

They are all the same....only difference is W, H W, and Reagan knew how to behave.

Trump lies as much as W
Trump sexually assaults as much as HW
Trump's administration is still nowhere near as corrupt as Reagan's (who holds the record for something like 120 criminal violations)

Your fooling yourself thinking Republicans in the past were any better. It has always been a crooked party powered by resentment and religious fundamentalism


Reagan and HW in my opinion are the best presidents since Eisenhower , and I agree with most of Reagan policies especially his economic ones.



The reason I think Trump is significantly worse than those presidents are he is a far worse human being then any of them , he is extremely incompetent , and he's stupid(Reagan and HW were smart ) .

HW was competent...I will give you that. But Reagan was incompetent. His entire presidency was one long infomercial presenting a phony image of a man who never read memos and napped all day. His presidency was run by his cabinet who unlike Trump's were competent but the most corrupt in history.

Read the book Sleepwalking Through History if you want to know just how incompetent Reagan was. His entire presidency is myth stacked upon myth


Lets look a the record then



- Reagan reformed the tax code more comprehensively then any President since at least the 1930s

- Reagan significantly reduced the amount of regulations which existed before the 1980s

-  16 million jobs created, Inflation Cut Dramatically , Median Income Went UP

 - His economic policies dramatically increased the amount of money people invested in the economy(thus growing it)

- Reduced the influence of too powerful public sector unions

- Reversed the growth of Communism in the 3rd world

- The INF Treaty

- Started the trend of bringing high skilled immigrants into the US



Most of those are terrible things. One has to really stupid to argue about cutting environmental regulations. The Ozone Layer Depletion happened & Reagan did nothing. He gut the power of the unions & now workers have no payer & has seen real wages decline, jobs have left US & Minimum Wage has fallen in real $ terms. And then there is PNTR with China during Reagan's term which has caused millions of jobs to go to China.

Reagan was terrible on Poverty. Reagan tripled the National Debt & sort of pushed the country into bankruptcy, doubled military spending or even more & cut taxes on the wealthy & put a range of payroll, gas etc taxes on the middle class.

Reagan is responsible for the destruction of the middle class. There has been no Single President who has declared a war on the Middle & Working Class dividing the country in abortion, gay marriage stoking bigotry & racial tensions like Reagan has. He wrote the Original Playbook & started Voodoo Economics.

Reagan's military policies have been vindicated over time.  He DID end the Cold War in our favor, and he wasn't constantly involving us in undeclared preemptive wars.

But you are correct on your comments regarding Reagan and the Middle Class.  But most of the war on the middle class was carried out by the Bushes, and, surprisingly, by Clinton.  Bill Clinton locked in the job losses to globalism, instead of resisting the trend.  Let's not forget that much of the 1994 Democratic debacle in the midterms was due to Clinton signing on to NAFTA and GATT.
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« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2017, 04:01:45 PM »

Reagan and HW were so much better than Trump that its an insult to them to compare Trump with with them.

Dubya also was clearly better than Trump

They are all the same....only difference is W, H W, and Reagan knew how to behave.

Trump lies as much as W
Trump sexually assaults as much as HW
Trump's administration is still nowhere near as corrupt as Reagan's (who holds the record for something like 120 criminal violations)

Your fooling yourself thinking Republicans in the past were any better. It has always been a crooked party powered by resentment and religious fundamentalism


Reagan and HW in my opinion are the best presidents since Eisenhower , and I agree with most of Reagan policies especially his economic ones.



The reason I think Trump is significantly worse than those presidents are he is a far worse human being then any of them , he is extremely incompetent , and he's stupid(Reagan and HW were smart ) .

HW was competent...I will give you that. But Reagan was incompetent. His entire presidency was one long infomercial presenting a phony image of a man who never read memos and napped all day. His presidency was run by his cabinet who unlike Trump's were competent but the most corrupt in history.

Read the book Sleepwalking Through History if you want to know just how incompetent Reagan was. His entire presidency is myth stacked upon myth


Lets look a the record then



- Reagan reformed the tax code more comprehensively then any President since at least the 1930s

- Reagan significantly reduced the amount of regulations which existed before the 1980s

-  16 million jobs created, Inflation Cut Dramatically , Median Income Went UP

 - His economic policies dramatically increased the amount of money people invested in the economy(thus growing it)

- Reduced the influence of too powerful public sector unions

- Reversed the growth of Communism in the 3rd world

- The INF Treaty

- Started the trend of bringing high skilled immigrants into the US



Most of those are terrible things. One has to really stupid to argue about cutting environmental regulations. The Ozone Layer Depletion happened & Reagan did nothing. He gut the power of the unions & now workers have no payer & has seen real wages decline, jobs have left US & Minimum Wage has fallen in real $ terms. And then there is PNTR with China during Reagan's term which has caused millions of jobs to go to China.

Reagan was terrible on Poverty. Reagan tripled the National Debt & sort of pushed the country into bankruptcy, doubled military spending or even more & cut taxes on the wealthy & put a range of payroll, gas etc taxes on the middle class.

Reagan is responsible for the destruction of the middle class. There has been no Single President who has declared a war on the Middle & Working Class dividing the country in abortion, gay marriage stoking bigotry & racial tensions like Reagan has. He wrote the Original Playbook & started Voodoo Economics.




That is a myth

https://www.infoplease.com/business-finance/poverty-and-income/persons-below-poverty-level-us-1975-2010

The Poverty rate went up 1978-1983(And most of the increase happened from 1978-1981) , and then went down the rest of his presidency .


The Poverty rate was lower in 1989 than it was in 1980 as well
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« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2017, 06:38:38 PM »

“One of the Best”=“Top Ten”
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