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« on: August 24, 2017, 01:32:48 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2017, 01:35:58 PM »

Why would his supporters launch a civil war? What is he doing for them that they would be fighting to maintain?
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2017, 01:39:15 PM »

Military could easily put down all the soft American "rebels".
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2017, 01:39:25 PM »

I say we call their bluff, and see what happens.  

If they do launch an insurgency, it would give the federal government an opportunity to eradicate white supremacists without concerning itself with their constitutional liberties.
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2017, 01:41:42 PM »

They can try, but it wont accomplish much. Die-hard Trump supporters are a minority of a minority, a bunch of alt righters with guns are no threat to our democracy.
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2017, 01:43:39 PM »

The military would crush them. That's what gun-loving right-wingers never realize: no matter how much heat they hoard, they'll never stand a chance against the Feds.

Not endorsing that course of action, obviously, but that's the way it would be, plain and simple. Civil wars, insurrections, and rebellions aren't as simple as they were the last time we had one.
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2017, 01:47:38 PM »

Why would Trump allow the military to put down the rebels? He would probably actively encourage it and go around the states on a tour to disparage all the house members voting for it, making hilarious remarks about their ridiculous ticks and make their approval ratings drop to single digits.
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2017, 01:49:19 PM »

Why would Trump allow the military to put down the rebels? He would probably actively encourage it and go around the states on a tour to disparage all the house members voting for it, making hilarious remarks about their ridiculous ticks and make their approval ratings drop to single digits.

You overestimate how popular Trump is, and how unpopular he will be undergoing impeachment. Nixon bottomed out at 25%, how low do you think Trump will go?
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2017, 01:51:06 PM »

Why would Trump allow the military to put down the rebels? He would probably actively encourage it and go around the states on a tour to disparage all the house members voting for it, making hilarious remarks about their ridiculous ticks and make their approval ratings drop to single digits.

You overestimate how popular Trump is, and how unpopular he will be undergoing impeachment. Nixon bottomed out at 25%, how low do you think Trump will go?

The voters of what remains the Republican Party literally worship him and have immediately voiced disapproval for anyone who dares attack him upon command for two full years at this point.
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2017, 02:01:30 PM »
« Edited: August 24, 2017, 02:08:51 PM by superbudgie1582 »

Why would Trump allow the military to put down the rebels? He would probably actively encourage it and go around the states on a tour to disparage all the house members voting for it, making hilarious remarks about their ridiculous ticks and make their approval ratings drop to single digits.

You overestimate how popular Trump is, and how unpopular he will be undergoing impeachment. Nixon bottomed out at 25%, how low do you think Trump will go?

The voters of what remains the Republican Party literally worship him and have immediately voiced disapproval for anyone who dares attack him upon command for two full years at this point.

So? You really think there are enough die hard Trump supporters to stop an impeachment? If its gotten to the point where impeachment is actually on the table, expect an overwhelming majority of Americans to favor impeachment.

Edit: When a vast majority of people around you dislike Trump, its real hard to stick your neck out for him. Most of his die hard supporters will keep quiet or save their anger for the internet because they know Trump is not worth their own reputations. You saw how, after Charlottesville people got disowned or fired from their jobs. An unpopular politician aint worth that.
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2017, 02:07:07 PM »

The military would crush them. That's what gun-loving right-wingers never realize: no matter how much heat they hoard, they'll never stand a chance against the Feds.

Not endorsing that course of action, obviously, but that's the way it would be, plain and simple. Civil wars, insurrections, and rebellions aren't as simple as they were the last time we had one.

Like you, I am not at all endorsing any action, but I would imagine a rebellion in this instance to involve targeted assassinations of congressman/bureaucrats/media personalities, unintended consequences style, rather than a concentrated shooting battle with the military. That could damage our institutions a lot depending on the number of participants.
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2017, 02:11:17 PM »

The military would crush them. That's what gun-loving right-wingers never realize: no matter how much heat they hoard, they'll never stand a chance against the Feds.

Not endorsing that course of action, obviously, but that's the way it would be, plain and simple. Civil wars, insurrections, and rebellions aren't as simple as they were the last time we had one.

Like you, I am not at all endorsing any action, but I would imagine a rebellion in this instance to involve targeted assassinations of congressman/bureaucrats/media personalities, unintended consequences style, rather than a concentrated shooting battle with the military. That could damage our institutions a lot depending on the number of participants.

And make Trump one of the most hated men in American history for lending support for this. I'd also expect Trump to be arrested under the scenario you just laid out.
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2017, 02:14:35 PM »

The military would crush them. That's what gun-loving right-wingers never realize: no matter how much heat they hoard, they'll never stand a chance against the Feds.

Not endorsing that course of action, obviously, but that's the way it would be, plain and simple. Civil wars, insurrections, and rebellions aren't as simple as they were the last time we had one.

Like you, I am not at all endorsing any action, but I would imagine a rebellion in this instance to involve targeted assassinations of congressman/bureaucrats/media personalities, unintended consequences style, rather than a concentrated shooting battle with the military. That could damage our institutions a lot depending on the number of participants.

And make Trump one of the most hated men in American history for lending support for this. I'd also expect Trump to be arrested under the scenario you just laid out.

Hopefully.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2017, 02:28:11 PM »
« Edited: August 24, 2017, 06:16:07 PM by TexasGurl »

The military would crush them. That's what gun-loving right-wingers never realize: no matter how much heat they hoard, they'll never stand a chance against the Feds.

Not endorsing that course of action, obviously, but that's the way it would be, plain and simple. Civil wars, insurrections, and rebellions aren't as simple as they were the last time we had one.

Like you, I am not at all endorsing any action, but I would imagine a rebellion in this instance to involve targeted assassinations of congressman/bureaucrats/media personalities, unintended consequences style, rather than a concentrated shooting battle with the military. That could damage our institutions a lot depending on the number of participants.

And make Trump one of the most hated men in American history for lending support for this. I'd also expect Trump to be arrested under the scenario you just laid out.

Hopefully.


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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2017, 02:37:39 PM »

The military would crush them. That's what gun-loving right-wingers never realize: no matter how much heat they hoard, they'll never stand a chance against the Feds.

Not endorsing that course of action, obviously, but that's the way it would be, plain and simple. Civil wars, insurrections, and rebellions aren't as simple as they were the last time we had one.

Like you, I am not at all endorsing any action, but I would imagine a rebellion in this instance to involve targeted assassinations of congressman/bureaucrats/media personalities, unintended consequences style, rather than a concentrated shooting battle with the military. That could damage our institutions a lot depending on the number of participants.

That wouldn't be a rebellion, it would be a campaign of terrorism.
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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2017, 02:39:41 PM »

The military would crush them. That's what gun-loving right-wingers never realize: no matter how much heat they hoard, they'll never stand a chance against the Feds.

Not endorsing that course of action, obviously, but that's the way it would be, plain and simple. Civil wars, insurrections, and rebellions aren't as simple as they were the last time we had one.

Like you, I am not at all endorsing any action, but I would imagine a rebellion in this instance to involve targeted assassinations of congressman/bureaucrats/media personalities, unintended consequences style, rather than a concentrated shooting battle with the military. That could damage our institutions a lot depending on the number of participants.

That wouldn't be a rebellion, it would be a campaign of terrorism.

One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

Obviously, I don't endorse such insane and illegal actions, but such people would very much consider themselves rebels and not terrorists.
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2017, 02:47:36 PM »

It's an interesting thought experiment to imagine how a pro-Trump vs anti-Trump armed conflict would play out. Trump supporters are undoubtedly better armed, control more territory, and have a larger share of the military. At the same time, anti-Trump forces would have control over most of the economic production of the country, and control key ports and waterways.

I think it would probably all come down to who the military higher-ups sided with, which in turn would depend on how legitimate a hypothetical impeachment or other catalyst was.
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2017, 04:01:47 PM »

It's an interesting thought experiment to imagine how a pro-Trump vs anti-Trump armed conflict would play out. Trump supporters are undoubtedly better armed, control more territory, and have a larger share of the military. At the same time, anti-Trump forces would have control over most of the economic production of the country, and control key ports and waterways.

I think it would probably all come down to who the military higher-ups sided with, which in turn would depend on how legitimate a hypothetical impeachment or other catalyst was.
The bureaucracy of the military ensures neutrality in a civil war, unless and excepting the breaking apart of the military or a widespread conspiracy reaching to the very top of covertly aiding agents into reaching high positions.
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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2017, 04:17:49 PM »

We all knew Choas would ensue when Trump is impeached.
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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2017, 06:17:07 PM »

Oh please. A group of armed terrorists is not a Civil War and they will be swiftly killed/arrested/contained by the FBI/Armed forces.

Nobody living in reality is actually going to die for Trump though.
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