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« on: June 03, 2017, 03:43:53 PM »

Asset stripping at its finest. From the Washington Post:

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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2017, 03:46:56 PM »

Privately run airports is a bad but not terrible idea, dependent on the details.

Private toll roads is peak HP
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2017, 08:13:07 PM »

muh economic nationalism
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2017, 09:01:05 PM »

Let me guess, Jared's going to oversee the transition to a private agency?
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2017, 09:35:39 PM »
« Edited: June 03, 2017, 09:43:39 PM by Santander »

Privatized ATC has been the norm in Europe for a while now. If anything, the US is the last country to privatize its ATC
That is true, but no other country has as much military aviation activity at regular civilian airports as the US does. Russia and China prefer to use military-only or military-centric airports like Vnukovo or Nanyuan instead of just plopping an Air National Guard hangar in the middle of Sky Harbor.

But yeah, it's not a big deal. Air travel in the US is way too subsidized by the government. The FAA has been outsourcing flight planning services to Lockheed for a while now anyway, but I would prefer to see a non-profit corporation created to take over ATC rather than contracting it out to for-profit companies.
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2017, 09:46:02 PM »
« Edited: June 03, 2017, 09:48:22 PM by Frodo »

Were this any other administration, I wouldn't have a problem with a massive infusion of spending on infrastructure, as well as privatizing air traffic control.  We need to get the system modernized to 21st century standards (i.e. NextGen), and it's been dragging on for over a decade now.

Since this is Trump we're talking about, however, I can't see any good coming out of this.  
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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2017, 09:52:19 PM »

Were this any other administration, I wouldn't have a problem with a massive infusion of spending on infrastructure, as well as privatizing air traffic control.  We need to get the system modernized to 21st century standards (i.e. NextGen), and it's been dragging on for over a decade now.

Since this is Trump we're talking about, however, I can't see any good coming out of this.  

So if President Pence was doing this same sh**t, you'd be fine with it?
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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2017, 11:16:00 PM »

Were this any other administration, I wouldn't have a problem with a massive infusion of spending on infrastructure, as well as privatizing air traffic control.  We need to get the system modernized to 21st century standards (i.e. NextGen), and it's been dragging on for over a decade now.

Since this is Trump we're talking about, however, I can't see any good coming out of this.  

In other words, you don't support good legislation because it would make your political opponents look better.

How american of you!
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2017, 11:21:28 PM »

Were this any other administration, I wouldn't have a problem with a massive infusion of spending on infrastructure, as well as privatizing air traffic control.  We need to get the system modernized to 21st century standards (i.e. NextGen), and it's been dragging on for over a decade now.

Since this is Trump we're talking about, however, I can't see any good coming out of this.  

In other words, you don't support good legislation because it would make your political opponents look better.

How american of you!

No. I think what he's saying, with which I have to agree is Trump has proven himself such a self-dealing and uninterested in the common good scoundrel, any privatization ATC under his watch is going to be a windfall for a handful friends and contributors, but a disaster for the public. It's just the way he operates. Let it perhaps, but under the watch of someone who is upstanding and actually cares about the public Trust
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2017, 11:22:13 PM »

Were this any other administration, I wouldn't have a problem with a massive infusion of spending on infrastructure, as well as privatizing air traffic control.  We need to get the system modernized to 21st century standards (i.e. NextGen), and it's been dragging on for over a decade now.

Since this is Trump we're talking about, however, I can't see any good coming out of this.  

In other words, you don't support good legislation because it would make your political opponents look better.

How american of you!
That's not what Frodo was getting at he meant he don't trust Trump to somehow not screw it up
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2017, 11:34:15 PM »

Were this any other administration, I wouldn't have a problem with a massive infusion of spending on infrastructure, as well as privatizing air traffic control.  We need to get the system modernized to 21st century standards (i.e. NextGen), and it's been dragging on for over a decade now.

Since this is Trump we're talking about, however, I can't see any good coming out of this.  

In other words, you don't support good legislation because it would make your political opponents look better.

How american of you!
That's not what Frodo was getting at he meant he don't trust Trump to somehow not screw it up

Trump doesn't craft laws nor do his pals in the WH. they merely suggest legislation that congress has to pass.

If the bill has crony sh**t in it, it would be congressional cronyism.

Infrastructure is guaranteed to have loads of pork, btw. But it's worth it, imo.
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2017, 11:55:44 PM »

Were this any other administration, I wouldn't have a problem with a massive infusion of spending on infrastructure, as well as privatizing air traffic control.  We need to get the system modernized to 21st century standards (i.e. NextGen), and it's been dragging on for over a decade now.

Since this is Trump we're talking about, however, I can't see any good coming out of this.  

In other words, you don't support good legislation because it would make your political opponents look better.

How american of you!
That's not what Frodo was getting at he meant he don't trust Trump to somehow not screw it up

Trump doesn't craft laws nor do his pals in the WH. they merely suggest legislation that congress has to pass.

If the bill has crony sh**t in it, it would be congressional cronyism.

Infrastructure is guaranteed to have loads of pork, btw. But it's worth it, imo.

That's the Schoolhouse Rock version of government, Marty. The president is AT LEAST as important as Congress in determining the details of any bill that gets passed.

Besides, come to think of it Ryan and company haven't seemed any better than Trump in regards to balancing the public trust vs. allowing crony capitalism.
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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2017, 07:51:04 AM »

Were this any other administration, I wouldn't have a problem with a massive infusion of spending on infrastructure, as well as privatizing air traffic control.  We need to get the system modernized to 21st century standards (i.e. NextGen), and it's been dragging on for over a decade now.

Since this is Trump we're talking about, however, I can't see any good coming out of this. 

In other words, you don't support good legislation because it would make your political opponents look better.

How american of you!

No. I think what he's saying, with which I have to agree is Trump has proven himself such a self-dealing and uninterested in the common good scoundrel, any privatization ATC under his watch is going to be a windfall for a handful friends and contributors, but a disaster for the public. It's just the way he operates. Let it perhaps, but under the watch of someone who is upstanding and actually cares about the public Trust
That's how I read Frodo as well...and I agree.  Trump may accidentally do a couple of things right, but I wouldn't trust him to plan a small picnic, much less privatizing the ATC.
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« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2017, 03:15:38 PM »

Were this any other administration, I wouldn't have a problem with a massive infusion of spending on infrastructure, as well as privatizing air traffic control.  We need to get the system modernized to 21st century standards (i.e. NextGen), and it's been dragging on for over a decade now.

Since this is Trump we're talking about, however, I can't see any good coming out of this. 

In other words, you don't support good legislation because it would make your political opponents look better.

How american of you!

No. I think what he's saying, with which I have to agree is Trump has proven himself such a self-dealing and uninterested in the common good scoundrel, any privatization ATC under his watch is going to be a windfall for a handful friends and contributors, but a disaster for the public. It's just the way he operates. Let it perhaps, but under the watch of someone who is upstanding and actually cares about the public Trust
That's how I read Frodo as well...and I agree.  Trump may accidentally do a couple of things right, but I wouldn't trust him to plan a small picnic, much less privatizing the ATC.

Word. Very succinctly put.

As a side tangent, the trade deal he recently struck with China, which I was surprised to find was not the result of years of painstaking work by the Obama Administration, but actually did arise out of his discussions with the Chinese Premier earlier this year, was a rare bright side in this otherwise dumpster fire of a presidency.
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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2017, 03:37:20 PM »

Were this any other administration, I wouldn't have a problem with a massive infusion of spending on infrastructure, as well as privatizing air traffic control.  We need to get the system modernized to 21st century standards (i.e. NextGen), and it's been dragging on for over a decade now.

Since this is Trump we're talking about, however, I can't see any good coming out of this. 

In other words, you don't support good legislation because it would make your political opponents look better.

How american of you!

No. I think what he's saying, with which I have to agree is Trump has proven himself such a self-dealing and uninterested in the common good scoundrel, any privatization ATC under his watch is going to be a windfall for a handful friends and contributors, but a disaster for the public. It's just the way he operates. Let it perhaps, but under the watch of someone who is upstanding and actually cares about the public Trust
That's how I read Frodo as well...and I agree.  Trump may accidentally do a couple of things right, but I wouldn't trust him to plan a small picnic, much less privatizing the ATC.

If you asked Trump to plan a small picnic, you'd end up with Fyre Festival.
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