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[NeverAgain]

My bad, didn't notice the April first part. I'm fine if people want to discuss other names more, but I figured in the name of getting things done we could speed through things we already decided on in the previous taskforce.

No problem!

My thought was that since the name is something that will be preserved for generations, and will represent our region's culture and people, we may want to take the time to reassess our options. But I wholeheartedly thank you for getting right on the ball with this. Sooo glad we have folks like you!

[NeverAgain]

Okay, y'all. Go for it!

[CatoMinor]

Okay, sorry I didn't start this up yesterday but engagement related things kept me busy in Austin and San Antonio all day. Lets do this thing.

Okay, since there is still some discussion left to had it seems over the name Jefferson, I would like for each of us to submit over the next 24 hours their idea for a name, be it Jefferson, IDS, The South,  or whatnot and post with it an explanation of why you feel it is a good fit for the region. I only ask that you restrain yourself from troll names.

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I personally like Jefferson, but at the same time other two regions are also going with names of historical figures, so I would be open to something else. Dixieland and Shenandoah always sounded nice to me.

If we were feeling a tad more experimental Imperial Dominion of ______ could be thrown, if later down the road this commission wanted to discuss the idea of reforming our government into that of a constitutional monarchy (with the emperor elected of course)

[diptheriadan]

I'd like to keep it the South.

[JustinTimeCuber]

A concerned citizen and Delegate would like you to know that he wants any silly/goofy name other than the IDS.

[White Trash]

If I may speak for a moment on the name change. For a long while I've casually supported renaming the region Jefferson in accordance with Lincoln and Fremont naming their regions after historical figures. And while I hear Governor NeverAgain's criticism of naming it after a figure like Jefferson, I can only think that what the Governor says actually only strengthens my resolve in renaming this region Jefferson.

Yes, Jefferson was a slaveholder. Yes, Jefferson was implicated in doing a number of morally dubious things. The man was a hypocrite, a moral paradox, and a Byronic hero come to life. But is that not the South? Has the history of the South not been marked by tragedy after tragedy, only to be followed by success after success? What make the South strong and so beautiful is our history, the good and the bad. Because it is the bad that makes the good all the better. It is the dark spots on Southern history that make us stronger.

No person represents the contradiction of Southern history culture better than Jefferson. A slaveholder who lived to make men free. An intellectual aristocrat who dedicated his life to the common man.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

If I may speak for a moment on the name change. For a long while I've casually supported renaming the region Jefferson in accordance with Lincoln and Fremont naming their regions after historical figures. And while I hear Governor NeverAgain's criticism of naming it after a figure like Jefferson, I can only think that what the Governor says actually only strengthens my resolve in renaming this region Jefferson.

Yes, Jefferson was a slaveholder. Yes, Jefferson was implicated in doing a number of morally dubious things. The man was a hypocrite, a moral paradox, and a Byronic hero come to life. But is that not the South? Has the history of the South not been marked by tragedy after tragedy, only to be followed by success after success? What make the South strong and so beautiful is our history, the good and the bad. Because it is the bad that makes the good all the better. It is the dark spots on Southern history that make us stronger.

No person represents the contradiction of Southern history culture better than Jefferson. A slaveholder who lived to make men free. An intellectual aristocrat who dedicated his life to the common man.

This is, perhaps, the best argument I've yet heard for any name put forward for this region. I'm not a Southerner, so my opinion doesn't really matter, but d*mn was that a speech.

[NeverAgain]

Of course, the moral failings reflected in Mr. Jefferson is seen through the history of every man. But, we, of course, are not talking just slaveholding, but senseless molestation of those that were considered to be 3/5ths of a Southern Citizen. But leaders are those who call us to our better selves. These are men who even in their weakest of morality, are able to be remembered for not only what they did, but who they were doing it. These are the men that the other regions are named for, Mr. Lincoln, and Mr. Fremont.

Our region is tormented and haunted by it's pain, of the brothers in grey and blue who fought for the true meaning of the words written by Mr. Jefferson among many other great men, in the pursuit in what it truely means to be free.

But Mr. Jefferson's story is not the Southern story. No man's is. And no man can claim to have it. That story is one of the tears of Mississippi which flow, the breath against the leafs of the Arkansas poplar tree, and the glory of God's mounds of earth which dominate our region, known solely as 'Shenandoah'.

It was Shenandoah whose open arms accepted all those who came to her. It was Shenandoah whose ground kept sturdy for men to live on her soil. And it was Shenandoah who wept into her rolling river as the boys who grew on her soil, decayed into her body.

Our beauty is what defines us, our very culture was and will always be defined by not man, but the waves of the awe-inspiring splendor that is our Shenandoah.

[Leinad]

I'll have more thoughts on the different names later, but I think we should call it the IDS.

[White Trash]

Governor, with all due respect, allow me to disagree. You speak at length about your precious Shenandoah. And I will say this, it is a lovely river. And a lovely range of mountains. But let me ask, what is the Shenandoah to the poor coonass in Lafayette? Or the businessman in Atlanta? What is the Shenandoah to a man who has never seen it? Nothing. For these folks we may as well name the region Mordor, because to them, the Shenandoah is a far off and distant realm heard of only in a popular ditty.

We ought to choose a name that reflects all of the South, and exists as a remainder of what unites us and what holds us bound together in this beautiful land. Our shared history is the shared bond between Southerners. It is our culture, our history, not our geography. I want the day to come that I explain to my children the meaning behind our region's name, and I would rather have a poignant discussion about history and morality than a brief description of a river they will never see.

[CatoMinor]

does anyone have anything else to add?

[diptheriadan]

I think my main argument for keeping our current name, is it's different from the other regions. Like, The North or the West is not as homogenized as the South is. If you go up North and ask them to describe themselves, their food, their values, their accent, their anything, they're not going to say "Northern". They'll say "New Yorker" or "Philadelphian" or "Bostonian". Ditto for the West. If you go the South, barring some particular areas (ethnic enclaves, maybe Acadiana), they're going to likely say Southern.

[JustinTimeCuber]

I think my main argument for keeping our current name, is it's different from the other regions. Like, The North or the West is not as homogenized as the South is. If you go up North and ask them to describe themselves, their food, their values, their accent, their anything, they're not going to say "Northern". They'll say "New Yorker" or "Philadelphian" or "Bostonian". Ditto for the West. If you go the South, barring some particular areas (ethnic enclaves, maybe Acadiana), they're going to likely say Southern.

Also barring the St. Louis metro which would like to secede into Lincoln.

[OneJ]

I think my main argument for keeping our current name, is it's different from the other regions. Like, The North or the West is not as homogenized as the South is. If you go up North and ask them to describe themselves, their food, their values, their accent, their anything, they're not going to say "Northern". They'll say "New Yorker" or "Philadelphian" or "Bostonian". Ditto for the West. If you go the South, barring some particular areas (ethnic enclaves, maybe Acadiana), they're going to likely say Southern.

I pretty much agree with Dip here for the time being.

Also, I propose that we make a change to our flag (though I'm not sure what to replace it with).

[Associate Justice PiT]

I think my main argument for keeping our current name, is it's different from the other regions. Like, The North or the West is not as homogenized as the South is. If you go up North and ask them to describe themselves, their food, their values, their accent, their anything, they're not going to say "Northern". They'll say "New Yorker" or "Philadelphian" or "Bostonian". Ditto for the West. If you go the South, barring some particular areas (ethnic enclaves, maybe Acadiana), they're going to likely say Southern.

     I do like this argument. When I was Governor I pushed for the selection of Chamber of Delegates over Assembly precisely because everyone else had an Assembly.

[CatoMinor]

(Posting from my phone) sorry I haven't been active in this lately, my computer broke and I'm still working on procuring another.

[NeverAgain]

(Posting from my phone) sorry I haven't been active in this lately, my computer broke and I'm still working on procuring another.

Gotcha! I wish you luck in your ventures!

[OneJ]

Bringing this back from the grave.

What about officially renaming the South the "New South" or the "Grand New South?"

[diptheriadan]

Bringing this back from the grave.

What about officially renaming the South the "New South" or the "Grand New South?"

Seems kinda redundant, to be honest.

[OneJ]

Bringing this back from the grave.

What about officially renaming the South the "New South" or the "Grand New South?"

Seems kinda redundant, to be honest.

Now that I think about it yeah it is.

[OneJ]

I wonder, how many of y'all are in favor of implementing the Lieutenant Governor for the South?