House Bill: The Department of Peace Resolution (Failed)
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« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2017, 10:53:42 PM »

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« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2017, 01:46:59 AM »

I really regret not getting to debate this bill while it was still in proper debate; it might have been able to be remade into something viable. The scope of government agencies is decided by the legislature, creation of new commissions or agencies when its fully within our power to redefine the goals and parameters of existing institutions is redundant. This would be like creating a separate "clean water commission" with new and separate responsibilities because we think the EPA should focus on the issue more instead of just telling the EPA to focus on it more. Plus, as has been pointed out, you can't just ignore the problems this creates with other departments. Government departments are like wild dogs, constantly fighting for influence and money. I can see the commission and the State Department being at each other's throats, trying to stake out their own positions as THE foreign policy body whom the president and other departments go to where "peace" is concerned. And if they're not fighting? They'll both be doing the same redundant work anyway. No dice.

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« Reply #52 on: May 16, 2017, 03:28:09 PM »

I can understand some of these concerns, and would've loved to talk about them. I am deeply disappointed that some of them were not brought up until now, and were never mentioned at all during the ample time we had for debate. I hope that Representatives do consider legislation fully and bring questions up promptly in the future.
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« Reply #53 on: May 18, 2017, 10:44:30 AM »

I can understand some of these concerns, and would've loved to talk about them. I am deeply disappointed that some of them were not brought up until now, and were never mentioned at all during the ample time we had for debate. I hope that Representatives do consider legislation fully and bring questions up promptly in the future.

To be honest, I do not see much in the way of new arguments on this, just people restating in their own viewpoints what had already been stated previously on this regarding the redundancy and so forth. Subsequent posts by Dereich, Leinad, Clyde and others merely emphasized the same or similar points with a view towards giving their perspective (as required now by House policy).

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« Reply #54 on: May 18, 2017, 10:46:51 AM »

Vote on Final Passage of the Department of Peace Resolution:

Aye (2): OneJ_ and Simossad
Nay (4): Dereich, Leinad, NC Yankee, Pessimistic Antineutrino
Abstain (2): Clyde and Peebs

Didn't Vote (1): Santander

The Resolution has failed to be adopted.
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